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Thank you Simon Templar. My sentiments exactly.
But there's more. Please peruse Friday's AFR magazine ( 11/11/05 ) where we are fed a journalistic expose of our CEO, the QANTAS Ringmaster ! (More like a paid advertisment. )
His main objective is again the improvement of productivity (in itself not a reproachable subject). But which translates to low cost staff, reduced real wages, overseas outsourceing as much as possible, taking the "flying" and "engineering" , giving it to the cheapest available cost model (China).
This of course flows on to Q being supportive of new IR initiatives. If you read into the fine print, the new IR legislation will in effect have the ability to over-ride the current EBA . Yes that 2 years or so of "grace" we all thought we had under the current aggreement is just a piece of printed paper.
Q is overstaffed with LH FA's at present, or so we are told.
VR.... not on your life. They are fishing for Temporary Part Time and forced LS Leave. It is a waiting game, as when the new IR legislation comes in, VR will be a handshake and 4 weeks pay for your 25-30 years of loyal service. Airline flying jobs for a new generation of Australian's .... keep dreaming !
VDD's final comments, " I love it " ....Does he mean Qantas or the "Bonus Driven" management model that he has created.
But there's more. Please peruse Friday's AFR magazine ( 11/11/05 ) where we are fed a journalistic expose of our CEO, the QANTAS Ringmaster ! (More like a paid advertisment. )
His main objective is again the improvement of productivity (in itself not a reproachable subject). But which translates to low cost staff, reduced real wages, overseas outsourceing as much as possible, taking the "flying" and "engineering" , giving it to the cheapest available cost model (China).
This of course flows on to Q being supportive of new IR initiatives. If you read into the fine print, the new IR legislation will in effect have the ability to over-ride the current EBA . Yes that 2 years or so of "grace" we all thought we had under the current aggreement is just a piece of printed paper.
Q is overstaffed with LH FA's at present, or so we are told.
VR.... not on your life. They are fishing for Temporary Part Time and forced LS Leave. It is a waiting game, as when the new IR legislation comes in, VR will be a handshake and 4 weeks pay for your 25-30 years of loyal service. Airline flying jobs for a new generation of Australian's .... keep dreaming !
VDD's final comments, " I love it " ....Does he mean Qantas or the "Bonus Driven" management model that he has created.
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It has now been nearly 2 months since the union meeting to explain to us the situation with the JFK dispensation and still no evidence of action on the faaa’s part.
I have suggested a media campaign in a previous post to show the public what is a stake and Warp57 shows up immediately and changes the subject to the short haul EBA.
When is the FAAA going to send out the vote cards for the JFK issue?????????
By the time the faaa gets around to sending out the vote the EBA will be up for renewal
Is the FAAA going to organize the vote or is it through the Australian Electoral Commission?
To let the FAAA run the vote is akin to letting Dracula run the blood bank.
The vote is OVERDUE!!!!!!!!
It is time to do something about our conditions rather than just complain about them on pprune
I have suggested a media campaign in a previous post to show the public what is a stake and Warp57 shows up immediately and changes the subject to the short haul EBA.
When is the FAAA going to send out the vote cards for the JFK issue?????????
By the time the faaa gets around to sending out the vote the EBA will be up for renewal
Is the FAAA going to organize the vote or is it through the Australian Electoral Commission?
To let the FAAA run the vote is akin to letting Dracula run the blood bank.
The vote is OVERDUE!!!!!!!!
It is time to do something about our conditions rather than just complain about them on pprune
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"no evidence of an action on the faaa’s part"
Did we really expect any timely action from our "personal agenda" driven FAAA. The JFK dispensation will continue without serious action or intervention. Our EBA will be up for renewal and once the new IR initiatives are implemented, VDD will get his so called "incredible IR people" to work through the Governments new IR initiatives and find every loophole they can to get as much of Qantas flying on low wage, overseas and contract staff . Regardless of how much "industrial flexibility" or "productivity improvement" Q LH delivers, it will never be enough. The goal posts will constantly be moved to new levels. How else can the "bonus driven" management keep the money flowing into their pockets. VDD has hinted at a LH Shanghai base with Asian FA's to fly through Singapore and Australian ports . Advice from management.... get with the program, this is the new Qantas.
Did we really expect any timely action from our "personal agenda" driven FAAA. The JFK dispensation will continue without serious action or intervention. Our EBA will be up for renewal and once the new IR initiatives are implemented, VDD will get his so called "incredible IR people" to work through the Governments new IR initiatives and find every loophole they can to get as much of Qantas flying on low wage, overseas and contract staff . Regardless of how much "industrial flexibility" or "productivity improvement" Q LH delivers, it will never be enough. The goal posts will constantly be moved to new levels. How else can the "bonus driven" management keep the money flowing into their pockets. VDD has hinted at a LH Shanghai base with Asian FA's to fly through Singapore and Australian ports . Advice from management.... get with the program, this is the new Qantas.
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QF SPIN TEAM IN OVER DRIVE
Have just read the Fin Review piece on GD and his grand vision ( read Jet * )....what a lot of swill!!!. How much did QF have to pay for a piece likre that ....oh yeah-how many P/C tickets for the editor-in-chief, sub editors etc ( is that how it goes ?? ) Isn't it great -the only time the loyal QF staff ( read "subjects" ) read about their emplyers Vision/Mission statement is in a corporate geed ridden rag-Fin Review!
Then along comes the other Fairfax gravy train -the Sydney Morning Herald. 3 separate articles on QF.
And yes-as directed by Geoff-lets put the boot into cabin crew again-Xmas is approaching !!!
The article titled -
UP IN THE AIR SERVICE FAILS TO IMPRESS PASSENGERS
..... is a little gem.
Quote , "Qantas failed to rate a mention in the best cabin staff award, which was won by Asiana. The cabin crew award recognised excellence in enthusiasm of staff, friendliness, language skills, food and bevearge and staff grooming and presentation ".
My question -why would the SMH bother to print this ?, what is their agenda ? I don't want to sound cynical ( no never!!! ) me thinks this piece of twaddle was written by some hack in the QF spin team. The same hack who fed The Australian newspaper a few weeks ago the gem on the Bonaventure Hotel !!!!!
Bit by bit -they seem to be softening up public opinion in suggesting that QF long haul crew are GONE.
NOW BRING ON GEOFFSTAR* INT........the messiah.(the second coming)
Now lets put all those pesky L/H crew on individual contracts and watch them run for Jims Mowing/Gloria Jeans franchises.
I may sound paranoid-but me thinks -the goons in QCC and QCA have got it all mapped out.
........as they say " all good things come to an end"
Then along comes the other Fairfax gravy train -the Sydney Morning Herald. 3 separate articles on QF.
And yes-as directed by Geoff-lets put the boot into cabin crew again-Xmas is approaching !!!
The article titled -
UP IN THE AIR SERVICE FAILS TO IMPRESS PASSENGERS
..... is a little gem.
Quote , "Qantas failed to rate a mention in the best cabin staff award, which was won by Asiana. The cabin crew award recognised excellence in enthusiasm of staff, friendliness, language skills, food and bevearge and staff grooming and presentation ".
My question -why would the SMH bother to print this ?, what is their agenda ? I don't want to sound cynical ( no never!!! ) me thinks this piece of twaddle was written by some hack in the QF spin team. The same hack who fed The Australian newspaper a few weeks ago the gem on the Bonaventure Hotel !!!!!
Bit by bit -they seem to be softening up public opinion in suggesting that QF long haul crew are GONE.
NOW BRING ON GEOFFSTAR* INT........the messiah.(the second coming)
Now lets put all those pesky L/H crew on individual contracts and watch them run for Jims Mowing/Gloria Jeans franchises.
I may sound paranoid-but me thinks -the goons in QCC and QCA have got it all mapped out.
........as they say " all good things come to an end"
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Warp57 and other Faaa officials where are you?
On your newsletter dated 23 rd march 2005 you promised that the dispensation would be temporary (read below) and only operate for bid periods 239 and 240!!!
You said that there would be meetings to discuss crew feedback on this issue!
It took nearly 6 months to hold those meetings (instead of the publicized 2 to 3 months) and now it is nearly 2 months since those meetings and very nearly the end of the year and we still have not heard anything regarding a vote on this issue.
It is doubtful even if the vote was held on Monday 13th Nov that the dispensation would be cancelled before Bid period 243.
In the excerpt from the faaa newsletter MM promised that if the majority of crew was unhappy with the dispensation it would be rescinded at the end of Bid period 240!
THE FAAA HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE DISPENSATION TO QANTAS ON THE FOLLOWING BASIS:
1. The dispensation will operate for 2 bid periods, BP 239 and BP 240.
2. Patterns can be planned up to 14 hours 35 minutes.
3. The slip in LAX following the shuttle cannot be below 36 hours.
4. That the Company maintains slips for BP 238 to allow those who wish to slip in New York to bid for these trips for 1 more bid period. This also allows for crew feedback to reach the FAAA.
5. Dispensation will be reviewed during the 2 bid periods. If cabin crew feedback indicates majority opposition to the dispensation, it will be revoked following the completion of BP 240. We will also be able to ascertain whether the shuttles will be desired trips and actually bid for, bearing in mind these patterns will be relatively high hour trips which are Often keenly sought after.
The newsletters from the faaa have sounded more and more as though they were written by GD himself and have shown the company that they can threaten us and manipulate us with their tactics
The faaa officials have a mandate to represent us not dictate to us!!!
When will the faaa send us the voting forms and give us a democratic chance to decide if the dispensation will continue or not
To all L/H crew reading this,ring the union office and ask why they have not sent out a vote card yet
On your newsletter dated 23 rd march 2005 you promised that the dispensation would be temporary (read below) and only operate for bid periods 239 and 240!!!
You said that there would be meetings to discuss crew feedback on this issue!
It took nearly 6 months to hold those meetings (instead of the publicized 2 to 3 months) and now it is nearly 2 months since those meetings and very nearly the end of the year and we still have not heard anything regarding a vote on this issue.
It is doubtful even if the vote was held on Monday 13th Nov that the dispensation would be cancelled before Bid period 243.
In the excerpt from the faaa newsletter MM promised that if the majority of crew was unhappy with the dispensation it would be rescinded at the end of Bid period 240!
THE FAAA HAS AGREED TO PROVIDE DISPENSATION TO QANTAS ON THE FOLLOWING BASIS:
1. The dispensation will operate for 2 bid periods, BP 239 and BP 240.
2. Patterns can be planned up to 14 hours 35 minutes.
3. The slip in LAX following the shuttle cannot be below 36 hours.
4. That the Company maintains slips for BP 238 to allow those who wish to slip in New York to bid for these trips for 1 more bid period. This also allows for crew feedback to reach the FAAA.
5. Dispensation will be reviewed during the 2 bid periods. If cabin crew feedback indicates majority opposition to the dispensation, it will be revoked following the completion of BP 240. We will also be able to ascertain whether the shuttles will be desired trips and actually bid for, bearing in mind these patterns will be relatively high hour trips which are Often keenly sought after.
The newsletters from the faaa have sounded more and more as though they were written by GD himself and have shown the company that they can threaten us and manipulate us with their tactics
The faaa officials have a mandate to represent us not dictate to us!!!
When will the faaa send us the voting forms and give us a democratic chance to decide if the dispensation will continue or not
To all L/H crew reading this,ring the union office and ask why they have not sent out a vote card yet
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Wed Webbing Woop,
Asiana can have the "Best Cabin Crew" award, have you seen what they do! i wouldn't want to do it. They all play instruments onboard for the passengers and literally do magic shows etc and rain or shine, they all stand outside the aircraft and wave to all of the passengers as they disembark the aircraft! No thanks!
Have a look for yourself!
http://au.flyasiana.com/aboutasiana/...asp?NewsID=290
http://www.airlinequality.com/Product/oz-promo-6.htm
Oz
Asiana can have the "Best Cabin Crew" award, have you seen what they do! i wouldn't want to do it. They all play instruments onboard for the passengers and literally do magic shows etc and rain or shine, they all stand outside the aircraft and wave to all of the passengers as they disembark the aircraft! No thanks!
Have a look for yourself!
http://au.flyasiana.com/aboutasiana/...asp?NewsID=290
http://www.airlinequality.com/Product/oz-promo-6.htm
Oz
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It has to be pointed out that Asiana have a lot more crew on any flight than QF does,so the survey is not really accurate
In fact, the faaa should be pointing that out to the reporter responsible for that excuse of journalism. Instead of sticking their heads in the sand try to be proactive
By the way. I’m still waiting for an answer about voting for the JFK issue faaa but will probably only get abuse!!!!!
In fact, the faaa should be pointing that out to the reporter responsible for that excuse of journalism. Instead of sticking their heads in the sand try to be proactive
By the way. I’m still waiting for an answer about voting for the JFK issue faaa but will probably only get abuse!!!!!
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NEWSFLASH..BP 242
In BP 242 there will be "6" day JFK patterns.
In the middle of the northern winter
Holy jetlag Batman..I feel sick already
Consolation prize: TPE and ICN.
I don't think so.
Check your standing bids folks.
In the middle of the northern winter
Holy jetlag Batman..I feel sick already
Consolation prize: TPE and ICN.
I don't think so.
Check your standing bids folks.
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Gotta love em...
FAAA newsletter dated 11Nov05:
What magic? The FAAA GAVE away our conditions (duty hour limitations) with the JFK dispensation.
And I guess we'll have to FIGHT the FAAA to keep our conditions.
I'll be at the rally but NOT with the FAAA...
Talk about the new three blind mice; MM / AS / SR
We believe our membership does care about its working conditions, job tenure and security. We hope a strong attendance at the Rally will vindicate our view that our members are prepared to fight for their conditions, rather than sitting on the sideline criticising and expecting magic to be performed on their behalf by others.
And I guess we'll have to FIGHT the FAAA to keep our conditions.
I'll be at the rally but NOT with the FAAA...
Talk about the new three blind mice; MM / AS / SR
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I will be at the rally and i will be there with other flight attendants. They are the FAAA. The Union Leadership are the only hope we have certainly not QFcsm.
My god if ppl like you were in charge of the negotiations we would be in deep trouble.
The only word in your vocabulary is "no". Well dont bother coming to the rally if you are only there for yourselves . Its asymptomatic of everything wrong with our division. 4000 crew who only care about themselves with limited education and no knowledge.
QF CSM nominations close for the FAAA elections tommorrow lets see if you are more than just a disgruntled mouth and see if you have the guts to offer an alternative and run for election.
My prediction the whole team elected unopposed coz many have a lot to say but not prepared to do a thing.
My god if ppl like you were in charge of the negotiations we would be in deep trouble.
The only word in your vocabulary is "no". Well dont bother coming to the rally if you are only there for yourselves . Its asymptomatic of everything wrong with our division. 4000 crew who only care about themselves with limited education and no knowledge.
QF CSM nominations close for the FAAA elections tommorrow lets see if you are more than just a disgruntled mouth and see if you have the guts to offer an alternative and run for election.
My prediction the whole team elected unopposed coz many have a lot to say but not prepared to do a thing.
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Blame Game
Don't blame the current executive for our current circumstances.
Go back 2 EBAs..thats where the rot set in.
Blame the original 3 blind mice...GB TW JB
Where are they now?
Look for GB on the fourth floor.
Go back 2 EBAs..thats where the rot set in.
Blame the original 3 blind mice...GB TW JB
Where are they now?
Look for GB on the fourth floor.
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Jet jockey...
No arguments at all about the 3 blind mice digging the hole that we are in but the 3 stooges that are running the show now are doing no better.
Do you really think attending a rally is going to worry GD in the slightest…it’s a great day out ,especially if it’s sunny ,have a few beers afterwards and a laugh .This is the whole problem, let’s do something concrete.
Pegasus 747 and Warp still have not answered my question about the JFK vote!!!!!!
It is nearly 2006 and this was supposed to be a temporary dispensation...
For the benefit of the faaa I will define temporary...
Provisional
Impermanent
Momentary
Brief
Fleeting
Transitory
Short-term
As opposed to.
Enduring
Lasting
Eternal
Unending
When are you guys going to send out the voting forms???????????????
No arguments at all about the 3 blind mice digging the hole that we are in but the 3 stooges that are running the show now are doing no better.
Do you really think attending a rally is going to worry GD in the slightest…it’s a great day out ,especially if it’s sunny ,have a few beers afterwards and a laugh .This is the whole problem, let’s do something concrete.
Pegasus 747 and Warp still have not answered my question about the JFK vote!!!!!!
It is nearly 2006 and this was supposed to be a temporary dispensation...
For the benefit of the faaa I will define temporary...
Provisional
Impermanent
Momentary
Brief
Fleeting
Transitory
Short-term
As opposed to.
Enduring
Lasting
Eternal
Unending
When are you guys going to send out the voting forms???????????????
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Lowerlobe,
You like some other less than intellectuals on here make the assumption that if we disagree with you or support the current FAAA leadership then we must be FAAA officials.
Why dont you pick up the phone and call MM SR AS LL MA VD TB JF GO or the myriad of other officials of the FAAA and ask them.
Why do you think that you can post something in here and it would somehow rate the attention of anyone other than the 5-6 ppl who post in here.
Reality check, the majority of flight attendants don't agree with you. The majority of flight attendants dont agree with the FAAA, the majority of flight attendants are more comcerned about their next roster or hair dressing appointment. That's why QF management and Howard is so successful. As long as the masses have a 4 year interest free deal and a plasma TV then all is well with the world.
Lowerlobe, you see no utility in the Day of Protest??? Can i for all of us ask you to outline YOUR plans to secure the flying for Long Haul Crew ???
We all wait with great anticipation. If its just to criticise the FAAA leadership, the opposition, the company or the world in general, then do us all a favour and leave.
If your view is to vote against the JFK dispensation then when they start the layoffs without a redundancy payout under the new legislation i hope you will be the first to volunteer to go.
I doubt it. You will be screaming like a stuffed pig that sommething should be done. Just not by you of course
You like some other less than intellectuals on here make the assumption that if we disagree with you or support the current FAAA leadership then we must be FAAA officials.
Why dont you pick up the phone and call MM SR AS LL MA VD TB JF GO or the myriad of other officials of the FAAA and ask them.
Why do you think that you can post something in here and it would somehow rate the attention of anyone other than the 5-6 ppl who post in here.
Reality check, the majority of flight attendants don't agree with you. The majority of flight attendants dont agree with the FAAA, the majority of flight attendants are more comcerned about their next roster or hair dressing appointment. That's why QF management and Howard is so successful. As long as the masses have a 4 year interest free deal and a plasma TV then all is well with the world.
Lowerlobe, you see no utility in the Day of Protest??? Can i for all of us ask you to outline YOUR plans to secure the flying for Long Haul Crew ???
We all wait with great anticipation. If its just to criticise the FAAA leadership, the opposition, the company or the world in general, then do us all a favour and leave.
If your view is to vote against the JFK dispensation then when they start the layoffs without a redundancy payout under the new legislation i hope you will be the first to volunteer to go.
I doubt it. You will be screaming like a stuffed pig that sommething should be done. Just not by you of course
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Just as I thought, nothing but abuse….nothing concrete ,if you had read my previous post I have suggested a media campaign similar to what the ACTU is doing and with a great deal of success. So don’t bother telling me that the public don’t care ,they do especially if they think it will affect them in the long term.
The ACTU media campaign has forced the government to spend $50 million to counteract the unions adverts, so obviously both the ACTU and the government think that media campaigns are effective only you and the faaa do not…what were you saying about who has less intellectual capability ?????
There are 2 issues here..
1: What is happening and what do we do about it
2: When are we going to have a vote for the JFK issue.
And your response is to go on a march…..
WHEN IS THE FAAA GOING TO SEND OUT THE VOTING FORMS…..?????
The ACTU media campaign has forced the government to spend $50 million to counteract the unions adverts, so obviously both the ACTU and the government think that media campaigns are effective only you and the faaa do not…what were you saying about who has less intellectual capability ?????
There are 2 issues here..
1: What is happening and what do we do about it
2: When are we going to have a vote for the JFK issue.
And your response is to go on a march…..
WHEN IS THE FAAA GOING TO SEND OUT THE VOTING FORMS…..?????
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Lowerlobe,
do me a favour and ring them and ask them and then post the FAAA reply here. Doubt whether you will do that though all too hard.
As far as i am concerned its here to stay....one of the most senior trips from what i can see. But you wont have to worry the Company will put the KIWI crew on from next bid period i am sure and then you will whinge about that too.....
do me a favour and ring them and ask them and then post the FAAA reply here. Doubt whether you will do that though all too hard.
As far as i am concerned its here to stay....one of the most senior trips from what i can see. But you wont have to worry the Company will put the KIWI crew on from next bid period i am sure and then you will whinge about that too.....
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I did ring the FAAA and they told me haltingly that it is supposed to be out in mid November when the union told us back in march that the temporary dispensation was suppose to end at the conclusion of BP 240 if the vote was no.
Let’s see if that is the case but what worries me is your attitude that because you want it then it has to be implemented.
What problem do you have with a vote????
Do you believe in a democratic system or are you some rabid Stalinist???
What about my suggestion about a media campaign, I suggested that to the faaa as well and was laughed at, as if I have no idea how politics worked.
Do you deny that you are on the union?????
Any L/H crew who are reading this, ring the union office and demand that the vote be sent out immediately and that it is run through the AEC and not just the faaa. As I have said, to let the faaa run the vote would be like leaving the blood bank to Dracula. It appears as though the union is leaving this vote as long as possible so that interest in it has dropped and most crew thinks of it as a lost cause.
FAAA ….WHERE IS THE VOTE?????????
Let’s see if that is the case but what worries me is your attitude that because you want it then it has to be implemented.
What problem do you have with a vote????
Do you believe in a democratic system or are you some rabid Stalinist???
What about my suggestion about a media campaign, I suggested that to the faaa as well and was laughed at, as if I have no idea how politics worked.
Do you deny that you are on the union?????
Any L/H crew who are reading this, ring the union office and demand that the vote be sent out immediately and that it is run through the AEC and not just the faaa. As I have said, to let the faaa run the vote would be like leaving the blood bank to Dracula. It appears as though the union is leaving this vote as long as possible so that interest in it has dropped and most crew thinks of it as a lost cause.
FAAA ….WHERE IS THE VOTE?????????
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well there you have it....mid november!!
wasnt so hard was it. And i dont really care who runs the ballot. If you dont trust our elected officials then you should resign or run for office.
Why would you want the membership to pay 000's of $$ for an outside body to run it when the FAAA has a returning officer who is no longer a flight attendant who is more than capable and beyond repute.
I believe his name is Rene Herbert who is a qualified accountant and has been the FAAA returning officer for years i believe.
In any case i am sure we will catch up at the Rally tommorrow along with all the other concerned flight attendants. I reckon that there would have to be about 2000 crew not working tommorrow so we shall see how concerned we all really are.
and btw i AM an FAAA member. In fact when there was two unions i was a member of both. Such is my committment to the cause. I dont necessarily like all the elected officials of this team or the last but i support the UNION. I AM FAAA 1000%
wasnt so hard was it. And i dont really care who runs the ballot. If you dont trust our elected officials then you should resign or run for office.
Why would you want the membership to pay 000's of $$ for an outside body to run it when the FAAA has a returning officer who is no longer a flight attendant who is more than capable and beyond repute.
I believe his name is Rene Herbert who is a qualified accountant and has been the FAAA returning officer for years i believe.
In any case i am sure we will catch up at the Rally tommorrow along with all the other concerned flight attendants. I reckon that there would have to be about 2000 crew not working tommorrow so we shall see how concerned we all really are.
and btw i AM an FAAA member. In fact when there was two unions i was a member of both. Such is my committment to the cause. I dont necessarily like all the elected officials of this team or the last but i support the UNION. I AM FAAA 1000%
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"well there you have it....mid november!!"
Back in March this year we were told it would be at the end of BP 240 and even if it were held now ,would be BP 242 before any action is taken..
WHY????????????????????????????????????????
It is now the 14th of Nov (thats around mid NOV) and no word on the faaa web site...and still no vote,let's see when we finally get it
I am so happy you were a member of the girls union..now that was a group that did us a lot of good..remember 75% standown because that is all it is now , a memory
Have a great day at the social tomorro,I'm sure GD is quaking in his shoes because 2 days later it will be forgotten..
it's not a surprise to me that you have not responded to my suggestion of a media campaign,something that would have an effect and get the company to react to us
Back in March this year we were told it would be at the end of BP 240 and even if it were held now ,would be BP 242 before any action is taken..
WHY????????????????????????????????????????
It is now the 14th of Nov (thats around mid NOV) and no word on the faaa web site...and still no vote,let's see when we finally get it
I am so happy you were a member of the girls union..now that was a group that did us a lot of good..remember 75% standown because that is all it is now , a memory
Have a great day at the social tomorro,I'm sure GD is quaking in his shoes because 2 days later it will be forgotten..
it's not a surprise to me that you have not responded to my suggestion of a media campaign,something that would have an effect and get the company to react to us
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Gentlemen please!
There is clearly a difference of opinion here and external observers can clearly see why. Both parties are making points that can be seen as favourable by a mixture of crew.
So why don't we all agree to disagree on some points (and I will need to pull my head in here too) and agree on one thing:
QF are hell bent on destroying long haul cabin crew working conditions - and some other groups too!
The rally makes some sense in that it demonstrates that John Howard is totally out of touch with the majority (workers) and building a minority upper class society of selfish pigs.
It will not deter Howard from pushing his dictatorial views however it may "scare" some of his lesser party beings in relation to keeping their sacred liberal seat at the next election.
Put it on the record that any blood spilt is on Howard's hands. By this I mean those who are pushed into poverty by these reforms.
There is clearly a difference of opinion here and external observers can clearly see why. Both parties are making points that can be seen as favourable by a mixture of crew.
So why don't we all agree to disagree on some points (and I will need to pull my head in here too) and agree on one thing:
QF are hell bent on destroying long haul cabin crew working conditions - and some other groups too!
The rally makes some sense in that it demonstrates that John Howard is totally out of touch with the majority (workers) and building a minority upper class society of selfish pigs.
It will not deter Howard from pushing his dictatorial views however it may "scare" some of his lesser party beings in relation to keeping their sacred liberal seat at the next election.
Put it on the record that any blood spilt is on Howard's hands. By this I mean those who are pushed into poverty by these reforms.