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money aint good but aint that bad either.
about 1200 1400 per month dependant on nightstops, which some get them all and some get non.
rosters are printed 10 weeks in advance but you have to call crewing after every duty to pick up changes which leaves you wide open for massive disruption to your life. You get around 200 planned duty hours per month printed on your roster. Mostly 4 sector days. Forget flexibility for your own priorities the management dont think your life is worth considering, they have something called gatekeepers where a manager will consider your request and either deny it or allow it....keep in mind the word gatekeeper and visualise a Rottweiller. Got it? Its short haul so that means do as your told the operation must come first which is only right but they are running so tight on crewing levels there is no room for flexibility.
On the upside you might get promoted to a cabin services performance manager within the year as the company dont want any old hands who might rock the boat. Its a great place for those that are new and know no better, for the senior people its an insulting boot camp. But the crew are wicked and if you keep well away from managers you will have a great time.
The interview wont be that hard they are so desperate they are probably doing house calls by now.
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about 1200 1400 per month dependant on nightstops, which some get them all and some get non.
rosters are printed 10 weeks in advance but you have to call crewing after every duty to pick up changes which leaves you wide open for massive disruption to your life. You get around 200 planned duty hours per month printed on your roster. Mostly 4 sector days. Forget flexibility for your own priorities the management dont think your life is worth considering, they have something called gatekeepers where a manager will consider your request and either deny it or allow it....keep in mind the word gatekeeper and visualise a Rottweiller. Got it? Its short haul so that means do as your told the operation must come first which is only right but they are running so tight on crewing levels there is no room for flexibility.
On the upside you might get promoted to a cabin services performance manager within the year as the company dont want any old hands who might rock the boat. Its a great place for those that are new and know no better, for the senior people its an insulting boot camp. But the crew are wicked and if you keep well away from managers you will have a great time.
The interview wont be that hard they are so desperate they are probably doing house calls by now.
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well said 6 chimes....
You'll spend your whole life working with min crew and be constantly training. Nightstops are few and far between and are only min rest ( 10 hrs in hotel) 12 hours if your really lucky. You'll be so knackered by the time you get to your hotel that you'll just go to bed anyway.
You'll have constant roster disruption, never have a standby at home again and if anything goes wrong on your flight you'll be hauled up and grilled by nazi like management who treat you like a confused child.
Have more than 12 days sick and you'll go into "AMP" which means your on your way out of the airline and can't go for promotion or longhaul ( which is mickey mouse anyway and not worth doing eg LAS with only a 40 min break - 11 hour duty).
Crewing dept will try and get away with making you work illegal rosters if they think you don't know the rules.
Speak out or get envolved with the union and the airline will go out of their way to ruin your life.
PLUS side well guess its like being in the trenches in WWI, the crew look after each other and are really good fun. you have to be otherwise you'd just cry.
run forest RUN!!!!!
You'll spend your whole life working with min crew and be constantly training. Nightstops are few and far between and are only min rest ( 10 hrs in hotel) 12 hours if your really lucky. You'll be so knackered by the time you get to your hotel that you'll just go to bed anyway.
You'll have constant roster disruption, never have a standby at home again and if anything goes wrong on your flight you'll be hauled up and grilled by nazi like management who treat you like a confused child.
Have more than 12 days sick and you'll go into "AMP" which means your on your way out of the airline and can't go for promotion or longhaul ( which is mickey mouse anyway and not worth doing eg LAS with only a 40 min break - 11 hour duty).
Crewing dept will try and get away with making you work illegal rosters if they think you don't know the rules.
Speak out or get envolved with the union and the airline will go out of their way to ruin your life.
PLUS side well guess its like being in the trenches in WWI, the crew look after each other and are really good fun. you have to be otherwise you'd just cry.
run forest RUN!!!!!
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Twisted.......( A very apt user name, if your last post is to be believed).
Just one point to raise.....
"Crewing dept will try and get away with making you work illegal rosters if they think you don't know the rules."..
What a crock of.....
You know that all lines are recorded and any deviation away from CAP371 would result in HUGE trouble for the airline.
Can you name one instance when you worked illegally, thanks to crewing?
You know, I don't work in Crewing, but see both sides of the crew/crewing issue and I constantly tell crew that if they could only see what happens in crewing, then most of the conflict would fall away... and I say the same to crewing, as well. We do all work for the same company, don't we?
Just one point to raise.....
"Crewing dept will try and get away with making you work illegal rosters if they think you don't know the rules."..
What a crock of.....
You know that all lines are recorded and any deviation away from CAP371 would result in HUGE trouble for the airline.
Can you name one instance when you worked illegally, thanks to crewing?
You know, I don't work in Crewing, but see both sides of the crew/crewing issue and I constantly tell crew that if they could only see what happens in crewing, then most of the conflict would fall away... and I say the same to crewing, as well. We do all work for the same company, don't we?
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I'm not talking about CAP371, we as cabin crew are governed by our Agreement for Service (AFS), this is a legal contract entered into by the company and the crew union which sets out limitations on types of duty, duty hours, max duty hours, rest requirements etc... it is MUCH stricter than CAP371 but crewing on HUNDREDS of occassions in my 14 years flying with bmi have tried to break the agreement . Yes they have never broken CAP371( technically) BUT they have certainly broken the rules of the AFS which is what we should be working to.
I know crewing have a hard job, basically because they don't have enough crew to cover the program ( due to cost) but thats not my fault..
and I'm only twisted because bmi made me that way..
I know crewing have a hard job, basically because they don't have enough crew to cover the program ( due to cost) but thats not my fault..
and I'm only twisted because bmi made me that way..
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..and nor is it their fault.....There are a fair few ex-cabin crew working in crewing, yer know.
The AFS....ah, don't get me started on that little beauty. I take it you've been on lates, tonight.
Well, I'm on nights at the Happy Hall and with only crewing to keep me company!
Its a helluva life !
The AFS....ah, don't get me started on that little beauty. I take it you've been on lates, tonight.
Well, I'm on nights at the Happy Hall and with only crewing to keep me company!
Its a helluva life !
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well you get into your sleeping bag and catch up on your Dr Who annuals... oh and mind that shiny head of yours little blue. maybe a small knitted hat would help to keep out the cold?
expecting massive roster disruption now for sure
expecting massive roster disruption now for sure
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Agh Twisted nice to see you found time to post before leaving bmi for the greener fields of BA.
NOW NOW Richard youve had your share of sickness and your still here ! NO ONE has pushed you out ! .
Infact i seem to recall you being treated exceptionaly well !
lets not let the truth get in the way of a good post !
Have more than 12 days sick and you'll go into "AMP" which means your on your way out of the airline
Infact i seem to recall you being treated exceptionaly well !
lets not let the truth get in the way of a good post !
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Well Ladies this sounds like a private battle.
My understanding of CAP371 is that it is far more limiting than the constantly changing AFS. Also no AFS is legal until all crew have been informed of the changes regardless of what the company and union say.
You cannot change the rules without telling everyone what the changes are.
My understanding of CAP371 is that it is far more limiting than the constantly changing AFS. Also no AFS is legal until all crew have been informed of the changes regardless of what the company and union say.
You cannot change the rules without telling everyone what the changes are.
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DRJ,
I think you lot up in the hall have a completely different view of things than the actual operating crew. bmi was a great airline to work for BUT things have deteriorated very quickly over the last couple of years...esp since you last set foot on an aircraft in uniform DRJ!
I have never been in AMP!! and yes my manager is exceptional but she is a one off and unfortunately not representative.(and if I could take her to BA I would)
Ahg if only all departments were as professional and as accommodating as charter eh? will miss my charters...but not getting up at 0345 to go to CFU!!!
big sloppy one.
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our AFS is published and all crew have a copy and does not constantly change. It sets out much tougher rules for crewing to follow so is better for the crew than CAP371 which really sets out the MAX duty hours and MIN rest requirements. Most low cost airlines operate to CAP371 hence their crews work longer and have less rest. Sure bmi would LOVE to work to CAP371. Thank god for unions...
I think you lot up in the hall have a completely different view of things than the actual operating crew. bmi was a great airline to work for BUT things have deteriorated very quickly over the last couple of years...esp since you last set foot on an aircraft in uniform DRJ!
I have never been in AMP!! and yes my manager is exceptional but she is a one off and unfortunately not representative.(and if I could take her to BA I would)
Ahg if only all departments were as professional and as accommodating as charter eh? will miss my charters...but not getting up at 0345 to go to CFU!!!
big sloppy one.
EXPELAIR
our AFS is published and all crew have a copy and does not constantly change. It sets out much tougher rules for crewing to follow so is better for the crew than CAP371 which really sets out the MAX duty hours and MIN rest requirements. Most low cost airlines operate to CAP371 hence their crews work longer and have less rest. Sure bmi would LOVE to work to CAP371. Thank god for unions...
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RC...
Didn't get yr PM as me inbox was chocker !
Another one off to BA?
How many years have you been here?.. You'll be telling me next that JPS is leaving...Now that would be a disaster.
Good luck !
Ops monkey
Didn't get yr PM as me inbox was chocker !
Another one off to BA?
How many years have you been here?.. You'll be telling me next that JPS is leaving...Now that would be a disaster.
Good luck !
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Hi guys,
I see that J20 has fled from the scene after reading that lot of posts. Better to know the truth before you enter the Lions den and find the door to the cage locked behind you. You wont ever be able to thank us but you have had a lucky escape.
I think I got the job cleaning tables in Mcdonalds, so I am on the way up....
O and by the way I have worked outside of CAP 371 a few times before I wised up...................the tapes....now which dusty cupboard are they kept in. Lost the key?
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I see that J20 has fled from the scene after reading that lot of posts. Better to know the truth before you enter the Lions den and find the door to the cage locked behind you. You wont ever be able to thank us but you have had a lucky escape.
I think I got the job cleaning tables in Mcdonalds, so I am on the way up....
O and by the way I have worked outside of CAP 371 a few times before I wised up...................the tapes....now which dusty cupboard are they kept in. Lost the key?
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If Twisted D is who I think it is well good luck to you in BA. You have made me laugh on more than one occasion over the years (pa's, tricks on the crew)
A sad day for Midland when you walk out the door.
I wish I could be there when crewing phone you up while at Cranebank asking you to come in for a duty.
Anyway it's nice to see BA have relaxed the weight limit......
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A sad day for Midland when you walk out the door.
I wish I could be there when crewing phone you up while at Cranebank asking you to come in for a duty.
Anyway it's nice to see BA have relaxed the weight limit......
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I thought weight requirements are in proportion to height...................................................... ............................................................ ............................................................ ............................................................ ...............to a 737! it certainly seems that way with some cabin crew! Maybe we should all go lo cost that way at the least starvation diet might help some
By the way Twisted, your not that big only your personality! Sad to see you go...take me with you.
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By the way Twisted, your not that big only your personality! Sad to see you go...take me with you.
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Yep 6chimes, I've definatly made my mind up about Bmi! Thanks for your honest veiws. Been speaking to friends no one has a good word to say about the Bmi. I thought I had it bad at my present company, apparently not that bad. However I can't wait to get out. But hey, there are lots of companies recruiting. Life is too short to be unhappy!
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Even the senoir managers are leaving Midland, gulp...
This week's goodbye to KB must be going to join EW..
Come back DWS all is forgiven...
This week's goodbye to KB must be going to join EW..
Come back DWS all is forgiven...
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Dont forget its going to get worse as they are going to start charging for stuff on Long Haul in November.For the few routes that Midland does Long Haul then this cannt be good news for them or the crew.