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KB's gone!!! the head of longhaul. obviously they asked her to compromise her standards... mmm dark times ahead but also maybe some of those senior crew who KB stopped getting into longhaul will get a chance now.
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Hi guys.
KB aint going voluntarily. i gather that her handling of the precious few (her interpretation not mine or bmi) and who can join them has not gone down well. Personally i hope she ends up living in a box under a railway arch.
Now here is a case for euthanasia.
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KB aint going voluntarily. i gather that her handling of the precious few (her interpretation not mine or bmi) and who can join them has not gone down well. Personally i hope she ends up living in a box under a railway arch.
Now here is a case for euthanasia.
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"Crewing dept will try and get away with making you work illegal rosters if they think you don't know the rules."..
Both the two airlines I worked for before had this problem, they were so desperately short of crews that they would do anything, and deal with the consequences later on.
They would disrupt your rest for a start, and make you go on impossible trips just to save their backside (like rostering you 5 days on at the end of june and 4 days on at the beginning of july...as if ppl wouldn't notice that even if on different months it is still 9 duty days in a row! Or screwing you up between time zones, for example sending you on a 7 day-duty in the americas flying somewhere every day, followed by 15 hours off at home and then another 4-5 day trip to India this time) and to save some money (eg: not providing a hotel after a very long multi-sector duty before finishing with a "DHDing on company aircraft" when clearly you still had to operate as crew as there wasn't anybody else to do the safety bit for you!!!)
I have the proof that things like this happen and can discuss anything (privately) if you're interested. I just hope that bmi isn't as bad as what I have seen and experienced on my skin!!
Also to notice that I have seen many crews accepting illegal duties just "because I really need the money".
Take care you guys.....look after yourselves xxx
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Everything you have said happens and in particular the DHDing. Saw that last week!
Maybe just maybe there is only one big crewing department somewhere................................................... .
The problem is in my view, airline management in the UK have gotten complacent with safety, we are pretty safe these days not a lot of major incidents have happened over the last few years (9/11 exempt thats a security issue! before you all remind me). Our managers are increasingly from accounting departments, its the bottom line, they stretch the risk assessments and bean counting. And quite frankly in my humble opinion from one who works on the frontline, they are often taking huge risks and living on borrowed time. Fingers crossed.
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Everything you have said happens and in particular the DHDing. Saw that last week!
Maybe just maybe there is only one big crewing department somewhere................................................... .
The problem is in my view, airline management in the UK have gotten complacent with safety, we are pretty safe these days not a lot of major incidents have happened over the last few years (9/11 exempt thats a security issue! before you all remind me). Our managers are increasingly from accounting departments, its the bottom line, they stretch the risk assessments and bean counting. And quite frankly in my humble opinion from one who works on the frontline, they are often taking huge risks and living on borrowed time. Fingers crossed.
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6chimes I couldn't agree more!!
I know for a fact that the CAA is silently watching and eagerly waiting to put their hands on one of the airlines I worked for, it's a matter of time and then we'll see what excuse they come up with!!
As for one screwing department somewhere....you might be right there too...
Do you know if bmi use AIMS?
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I know for a fact that the CAA is silently watching and eagerly waiting to put their hands on one of the airlines I worked for, it's a matter of time and then we'll see what excuse they come up with!!
As for one screwing department somewhere....you might be right there too...
Do you know if bmi use AIMS?
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First: PLEASE Moderate your language. Somebody who speaks like this shouldn't even be allowed on a public discussion forum.
Second: I still have that roster and I would be willing to scan it if not that it is indeed a public forum and I don not want somebody to get into trouble. (Crewing controllers have no fault, as they work hard and are stressed to their eyeballs, and just do what they're told to.)
I asked a skipper for advice as soon as the roster came out and his reply was "It's totally illegal. If you want you can call crewing and point it out. However if you're short of money, you have two long haul trips in a row, just don't tell anybody." (Cheers mate!)
Of course I called crewing straight away, told them I knew the rules so they gave me another day off (which I had to have in the first place anyway) took me off the India flight straight away and apologised.
On the System you could then read, in red, next to the amendment, the reason "as pointed out by the crew themselves"
So glad I am out of that.
6chimes, did anybody during you training told you where to find the rules and to learn them? When CC are not aware of their working/rest rights everything becomes messier and more difficult.
I've never known anyone as full of **** as you FBW. That trip to americas followed by india with 15 hours rest is complete utter crap.. the flight crew would certainately have NOT allowed you to operate that duty, and they wouldn't have either, so good imagination you have there
Second: I still have that roster and I would be willing to scan it if not that it is indeed a public forum and I don not want somebody to get into trouble. (Crewing controllers have no fault, as they work hard and are stressed to their eyeballs, and just do what they're told to.)
I asked a skipper for advice as soon as the roster came out and his reply was "It's totally illegal. If you want you can call crewing and point it out. However if you're short of money, you have two long haul trips in a row, just don't tell anybody." (Cheers mate!)
Of course I called crewing straight away, told them I knew the rules so they gave me another day off (which I had to have in the first place anyway) took me off the India flight straight away and apologised.
On the System you could then read, in red, next to the amendment, the reason "as pointed out by the crew themselves"
So glad I am out of that.
6chimes, did anybody during you training told you where to find the rules and to learn them? When CC are not aware of their working/rest rights everything becomes messier and more difficult.
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To be fair they did. But hey when its all so new and your new it can be a bit confusing.
Also your more interested in giving a good impression to your new employers and learning your job not playing at being Arthur Scargill! I honestly didnt really know what flying limitations meant when i started. It was only as time went on I thought "hang on, the bleeders are having a laugh at my expense, learn the ropes mate". Its a game of Cat and mouse and we aint even the mouse........................................!
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To be fair they did. But hey when its all so new and your new it can be a bit confusing.
Also your more interested in giving a good impression to your new employers and learning your job not playing at being Arthur Scargill! I honestly didnt really know what flying limitations meant when i started. It was only as time went on I thought "hang on, the bleeders are having a laugh at my expense, learn the ropes mate". Its a game of Cat and mouse and we aint even the mouse........................................!
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The problem is FBW that people get a bit sick and tired of crewing or screwing as you call them being bashed. I've worked in a crewing dept for 10 years and am privileged to work with some very talented people who know the job inside out. To be accused of creating such unbelievable rostering patterns just p's me off a bit.
AIMS is not 100% fool proof at Rostering stage so anything you find that's not legal will be rectified the moment it's pointed out and it won't have been put there on purpose. AIMS at a Crewing stage is different and anything illegal will be rejected by the system therefore it's not possible (in the airline I work for ) for crewing to make you work an illegal roster. More crew should take the time to learn the rules that govern their lives.
AIMS is not 100% fool proof at Rostering stage so anything you find that's not legal will be rectified the moment it's pointed out and it won't have been put there on purpose. AIMS at a Crewing stage is different and anything illegal will be rejected by the system therefore it's not possible (in the airline I work for ) for crewing to make you work an illegal roster. More crew should take the time to learn the rules that govern their lives.
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ref the messages from twisted and 6chimes re the departure of KB and her supposed standards ......................... to the best of my knowledge KB's standards are those of the company and the other senior managers. Am disappointed that it is seen as personal and that you are wishing her an untimely end. Suppose it is as a result of not making l/haul last time but when so many wish to go to faraway places there has to be a criteria. Obviously BA don't have same criteria .............................. maybe 6chimes best follow the example of twisted and seek pastures new.
Have asked others if KB was in fact 'assisted to leave' ................. answer a resounding NO. Perhaps worth asking her why she has chosen to go!
Have asked others if KB was in fact 'assisted to leave' ................. answer a resounding NO. Perhaps worth asking her why she has chosen to go!
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More crew should take the time to learn the rules that govern their lives.
However, especially during the summer period and at certain bases, some airlines (including my ex) have a real problem.
Having had access to the system in the past - and knowing certain individuals who would do anything to suck up to the crewing department - I can say that people do fly on illegal duties at times unless the individuals, knowing the rules, call up and refuse to comply.
It is not the crew controller's fault if they have millions of changes for the crew (both FD and CC) every single day because they don't have enough people to cover sicknesses, delays, tech problems etc. It is not their fault if the company's policy is "Deal with it as and when". I felt sorry so many times for the poor guys up in MAN. Not for those ones that haven't got a clue thoguh, and leave the next shift/supervisors to clear up the mess!!
I still remember some of their voices,names...I still occasionally talk to them through a certain pilot friend of mine.
By the way, has Sandra (Zandra) finally found the pilot of her dreams
Level2...........it's frustrating for both sides.
Take care
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I don't wish anything bad for KB , personally I like her. As for the rest of your comments you are obviously based up in Toad Hall and have NO IDEA of whats been going on with regards to LONGHAUL RECRUITMENT! Enough to say that it certainly wasn't fair or based on ability. More like who wouldn't rock the boat or was the biggest bum lick.....
As for BA's standards being less than bmi.....DREAM ON!!!!!!!!
I don't wish anything bad for KB , personally I like her. As for the rest of your comments you are obviously based up in Toad Hall and have NO IDEA of whats been going on with regards to LONGHAUL RECRUITMENT! Enough to say that it certainly wasn't fair or based on ability. More like who wouldn't rock the boat or was the biggest bum lick.....
As for BA's standards being less than bmi.....DREAM ON!!!!!!!!
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Hey Twisted ....
I know you wish KB no harm but then it wasnt you that hoped she was under a railway arch in a box ....
Or advocated Euthanasia !. (Nasty 6 chimes very nasty ....)
Im surprised its taken so long for news of KB's departure to filter out, Her decison being taken on her wish to explore pastures new some weeks ago.
Having done some digging I can assure you the decision was hers and hers alone and is driven by her personal circumstances rather than jumping or being assisted.
Of course "Galley FM" now turns its attention to KB's probable replacement ..........
Rule me out .........
American tan tights and a gold blouse never suited me.....
As for being based at the hall yep correct but then i also spend a fair amount of time at LHR so yeah i hear the comments....
I know you wish KB no harm but then it wasnt you that hoped she was under a railway arch in a box ....
Or advocated Euthanasia !. (Nasty 6 chimes very nasty ....)
Im surprised its taken so long for news of KB's departure to filter out, Her decison being taken on her wish to explore pastures new some weeks ago.
Having done some digging I can assure you the decision was hers and hers alone and is driven by her personal circumstances rather than jumping or being assisted.
Of course "Galley FM" now turns its attention to KB's probable replacement ..........
Rule me out .........
American tan tights and a gold blouse never suited me.....
As for being based at the hall yep correct but then i also spend a fair amount of time at LHR so yeah i hear the comments....
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Sorry to offend you A215
just happens you reap what you sow. maybe the person is not bad, more likely just incompetent and a fool, it doesnt matter which if the result for those below is sub standard treatment. maybe euthanasia is a little OTT, but what about all the people over the years who have had their careers adversly affected by bad management? sympathy and heartfelt best wishes for the future? NO WAY. deep resentment doesnt fade away. So no to the box under the railway arch at your request, a high street door way instead. (joke OK !!!!!). O and dig deeper and you will find more to it.
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just happens you reap what you sow. maybe the person is not bad, more likely just incompetent and a fool, it doesnt matter which if the result for those below is sub standard treatment. maybe euthanasia is a little OTT, but what about all the people over the years who have had their careers adversly affected by bad management? sympathy and heartfelt best wishes for the future? NO WAY. deep resentment doesnt fade away. So no to the box under the railway arch at your request, a high street door way instead. (joke OK !!!!!). O and dig deeper and you will find more to it.
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Hey 6
Pleased you re thought the Euthansia and railway arch !
Not too sure there will be many shop doorways for KB in her new pastures but hey !
I understand how you feel re the past, But believe me having been there I can see it from both crew and management view points.
Oh and Ive dug so deep I came out at Quantas and believe me theres really not anything to the rumours KB really has just decided to move on and take a new direction.
Galley FM really has got this 1 wrong.
Now may be that gold blouse and hat band might just suit me afterall.... Only joking !
Pleased you re thought the Euthansia and railway arch !
Not too sure there will be many shop doorways for KB in her new pastures but hey !
I understand how you feel re the past, But believe me having been there I can see it from both crew and management view points.
Oh and Ive dug so deep I came out at Quantas and believe me theres really not anything to the rumours KB really has just decided to move on and take a new direction.
Galley FM really has got this 1 wrong.
Now may be that gold blouse and hat band might just suit me afterall.... Only joking !