Flyblu / Blu Arrow? (merged)
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Anyone heard from flyblu?
A couple of my friends who applied for flyblu earlier in the year have been told they won't be taking on this year. all seems a bit of a shambles to me!!!
Last heard is that they have now made redundant their cabin crew manager, reservations manager and sales manager is next for the chop. rumour has it there was no work for them as they have cancelled their launch over and over again now.
Anyone in agreement that this little project is looking more and more doubtful as time goes on?
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Last heard is that they have now made redundant their cabin crew manager, reservations manager and sales manager is next for the chop. rumour has it there was no work for them as they have cancelled their launch over and over again now.
Anyone in agreement that this little project is looking more and more doubtful as time goes on?
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Hi
Well i got a letter a few weeks ago saying that an unauthorised letter was going about saying there was no more recruitment, and i was told to ignore it. If i was still interested i was to Email them on a certain email address and NOT to phone at all !!
Well to be honest, after reading it, i threw it in the trash.
This is a very dodgy outfit !!!! Keep clear
Well i got a letter a few weeks ago saying that an unauthorised letter was going about saying there was no more recruitment, and i was told to ignore it. If i was still interested i was to Email them on a certain email address and NOT to phone at all !!
Well to be honest, after reading it, i threw it in the trash.
This is a very dodgy outfit !!!! Keep clear
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I am not cabin crew but had interest from another aspect.
I must admit that I had great faith in the set-up, but I am now doubtful if it will ever get going.
In some ways I would prefer it to fail before it gets going. After all BHX does not need another flop after Duo.
The more set backs they have the less faith people will have when and IF they do "go live".
In the meantime good luck to all involved but please remember this is not a management project but employees "lives" you could mess up!
I must admit that I had great faith in the set-up, but I am now doubtful if it will ever get going.
In some ways I would prefer it to fail before it gets going. After all BHX does not need another flop after Duo.
The more set backs they have the less faith people will have when and IF they do "go live".
In the meantime good luck to all involved but please remember this is not a management project but employees "lives" you could mess up!
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I share your doubts, but never forget that these are really serious people who have spent really serious money. There are some would-be airline proprietors out there who have been incredibly cavalier with other people's goodwill, but you cannot lay this allegation at the door of the people at FlyBlu. They've given it their best shot, and they believe passionately in their concept. I wish them well.
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Flyblu / Blu Arrow starting to Interview?
Morning ;-)
Just wondering if anyone ever heard whats going on at fly blu or blu arrow (whatever they are called this week!)?
I checked their home page yesterday (www.flyblu.com) and it looks like its gone back in time. I'm sure they had a better version that that last time I looked? Now its saying recruiting starts next January (where have we all heard that one before!). Maybe they've run out of money for the web designer to sort it out, but I swear its got worse and gone back in time.
I just feel pi
ed off about all of us crew who have probably wasted our time and effort applying in the first place. I suppose we should be thankful we weren't taken on and trained only to get made redundant like all from Now Airlines.
Cheers all
Just wondering if anyone ever heard whats going on at fly blu or blu arrow (whatever they are called this week!)?
I checked their home page yesterday (www.flyblu.com) and it looks like its gone back in time. I'm sure they had a better version that that last time I looked? Now its saying recruiting starts next January (where have we all heard that one before!). Maybe they've run out of money for the web designer to sort it out, but I swear its got worse and gone back in time.
I just feel pi
ed off about all of us crew who have probably wasted our time and effort applying in the first place. I suppose we should be thankful we weren't taken on and trained only to get made redundant like all from Now Airlines.Cheers all
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trays4takeoff calm down, i applyed for them last year and heard nothing until friday 17th sept when i got an e-mail from fred gorman one of the recruitment team from bluarrow aviation/flyblu asking me to re-fill in an application form he had sent me ready for an interview, so something had gone on there but lets hope they get started.
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Hmmm.....!!!
Interesting! Could you be the only one to have been contacted then cabincrew1? Seems strange that no one else has commented the same. Do we think flyblu have finally got some money then if they are about to start interviewing?
Interesting! Could you be the only one to have been contacted then cabincrew1? Seems strange that no one else has commented the same. Do we think flyblu have finally got some money then if they are about to start interviewing?
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I sent my CV to them the other day and received an auto response email informing that they will be starting April 2005. Recruitment would be carried out beforehand in enough time for the start up.
It went on to state that any questions could be directed to Fred Gorman who was responsible for the recruitment.
It went on to state that any questions could be directed to Fred Gorman who was responsible for the recruitment.
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not to sure if its money i thinks its probs with aoc, i never applyed direct to flyblu i went through an agency that was dealing with the recruitment for them, i went through www.aeroteam.co.uk and there cabincrew team phoned and told me that it wasn't going ahead, then out of the blue the e-mail from bluarrow aviation ltd on the 17 sept from fred gorman, all we can do is wait and see
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hi cabincrew1
I've heard of Aeroteam too, I sent my CV to them and also asked about flyblu. They said they have nothing to do with flyblu or its recruitment. Apparently an ex-employee of Aeroteam used to work for flyblu, thats all. Aeroteam did come up with a couple of nice little VIP jobs for me though .
Apparently, Aeroteam don't like working with new start-up airlines unless they are very credit worthy! Can't say I blame their attitude with the likes of Now Airlines etc.
I'm surprised to see Fred Gorman doing the recruitment though. He was posted on the flyblu website as being the catering manager a while ago I'm sure! Talk about jack of all trades indeed!
Good luck with anyone who gets as far as interview anyway. I dont think I'll be quitting my current job for them if they ever manage to offer jobs.
I've heard of Aeroteam too, I sent my CV to them and also asked about flyblu. They said they have nothing to do with flyblu or its recruitment. Apparently an ex-employee of Aeroteam used to work for flyblu, thats all. Aeroteam did come up with a couple of nice little VIP jobs for me though .
Apparently, Aeroteam don't like working with new start-up airlines unless they are very credit worthy! Can't say I blame their attitude with the likes of Now Airlines etc.
I'm surprised to see Fred Gorman doing the recruitment though. He was posted on the flyblu website as being the catering manager a while ago I'm sure! Talk about jack of all trades indeed!
Good luck with anyone who gets as far as interview anyway. I dont think I'll be quitting my current job for them if they ever manage to offer jobs.
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Well I think when any airline sets up - no matter what position you are going to hold- its all hands on deck. Until everything is in place you don't have your new offices and usually you are working in one room...dealing with CAA, producing all sorts of documentation and manuals and the list goes on. I also recall the same comments being made about Virgin Atlantic, Easyjet and the then airtours international "they won't last" give them "6 months" and they turned into success stories. Sometimes you win sometimes you lose..but give people a chance who have the guts to try and start something in what is an even more competitive business and industry. If you look at the industry and it's history airlines have come, disappeared, been taken over, re named...that's how it is and always will be I guess. As for leaving to try something new..thats the risk that is always there whatever company.
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Good post, Airways.com.
If history is anything to go by (and it usually is), it is entirely possible that a list of the ten leading UK airlines in 2014 (i.e. in ten year's time) would contain at least a couple of names that none of us have ever heard of. And a couple of famous names of today may well be missing. Think about it.
Very few airlines are started with vast sums of money, most have a struggle to achieve financial adequacy. It's a good job that there are peoiple out there prepared to take risks in order to bring new life into the industry.
If history is anything to go by (and it usually is), it is entirely possible that a list of the ten leading UK airlines in 2014 (i.e. in ten year's time) would contain at least a couple of names that none of us have ever heard of. And a couple of famous names of today may well be missing. Think about it.
Very few airlines are started with vast sums of money, most have a struggle to achieve financial adequacy. It's a good job that there are peoiple out there prepared to take risks in order to bring new life into the industry.
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Well, at last there are two positive thinking people (Airways.com and Thunderball 2) with positive thoughts about the industry that we are working in. Give the guys and gals in Flyblu a chance, they at least are trying and will need staff with flexible attitudes and positive thoughts and actions to make their idea work. I for one wish them all the best for a great take off and a long and prosperous operation – even if I don’t work for them.
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I think the problem with Flyblu, Antipodean and one or two others is that they put the cart before the horse! It is totally counter-productive to start recruitment and publicity before you have at least some realistic timescale worked out. Not wishful thinking but positive information based on licence applications being in and discussions with the various regulatory authorities. Once everything is moving and finance is in place then is the time to move to the next step. I know of two start-up airlines at present who are probably at about the same stage as the two mentioned but their names have never been mentioned on this forum. Why? Because they are moving logically, not making big announcements followed by delays and problems at every turn.
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I stand by what I said above - that we need new entrants and we shouldn't be dismissive of their aspirations when they appear on the horizon - but I also agree 100% with the last post from Harrier461.
I applaud anyone prepared to put their hard-earned money and effort behind a start-up, but having made that decision, the smart money will always say "keep your powder dry". Remember "First European"?, remember "Imperial Airways"? (the Gatwick would-be charter operator), remember....well, you tell me. Common denominator; they were all spending time and energy on press releases and the cut of the hosties' summer uniform (literally true) when they should have been getting their business plan sorted and their funding secured.
This is a world-weary industry that punishes paper airline entrepreneurs on principle. So got for it, but keep your head down!
I applaud anyone prepared to put their hard-earned money and effort behind a start-up, but having made that decision, the smart money will always say "keep your powder dry". Remember "First European"?, remember "Imperial Airways"? (the Gatwick would-be charter operator), remember....well, you tell me. Common denominator; they were all spending time and energy on press releases and the cut of the hosties' summer uniform (literally true) when they should have been getting their business plan sorted and their funding secured.
This is a world-weary industry that punishes paper airline entrepreneurs on principle. So got for it, but keep your head down!
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But it appears that is exactly what they are doing Thunderball2.
If any of you saw their stand at the NEC earlier this year you would have noticed they have spent a lot of time on the right shade of leather for seats and the retro uniform with seamed stockings etc. The website goes on more about the meals than anything else, but.... where's the aircraft and the licence I ask you?
It would be interesting to know if there is anyone with experience behind this show or if its all a dream by this Aiden chappie? Does any knows who going to be CAA postholders?
If any of you saw their stand at the NEC earlier this year you would have noticed they have spent a lot of time on the right shade of leather for seats and the retro uniform with seamed stockings etc. The website goes on more about the meals than anything else, but.... where's the aircraft and the licence I ask you?
It would be interesting to know if there is anyone with experience behind this show or if its all a dream by this Aiden chappie? Does any knows who going to be CAA postholders?
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trays4takeoff – there are people in there that are from our industry and that do know what they are doing. It is my belief that the industry regulators both here and definitely in the US put as many obstacles, jumps, hurdles and fences in the way to try and stop this operation from the start.
Could be wrong but don’t think I am. Again I wish them all the best for an early 2005 start.
Could be wrong but don’t think I am. Again I wish them all the best for an early 2005 start.
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three truths here people.
1) flyblu/bluarrow are not a set of idiots. They are doing a commercial job for their investors and their decisions are based around making it work, NOT around running a charity for cabin crew. In fact we really dont really feature even close to the top of their list of concerns.
2) They were stitched up by the people who worked for them and then tried to steal their contacts when they formed blue sky personnel. DONT TRUST B.S.P. No point moaning that Fred Gorman is doing crew now but he was doing cabin services last time you looked. That is because some of the people they trusted cant be trusted and such people are BAD NEWS for the cabin crew world.
3) There will always be more bums than saddles and until some of you work it out and realise this industry is not acrtually run so that you have a job, the faster you will cotton on to the reality of this game. It's tough out there.
So go for it flyblu/bluarrow or whatever you end up being called. Not everyone who posts here is a moron, only most of the people who post here! Some of us DO understand that we need brave people with big vision and big pockets to make things happen. You are not without supporters. DO IT!
1) flyblu/bluarrow are not a set of idiots. They are doing a commercial job for their investors and their decisions are based around making it work, NOT around running a charity for cabin crew. In fact we really dont really feature even close to the top of their list of concerns.
2) They were stitched up by the people who worked for them and then tried to steal their contacts when they formed blue sky personnel. DONT TRUST B.S.P. No point moaning that Fred Gorman is doing crew now but he was doing cabin services last time you looked. That is because some of the people they trusted cant be trusted and such people are BAD NEWS for the cabin crew world.
3) There will always be more bums than saddles and until some of you work it out and realise this industry is not acrtually run so that you have a job, the faster you will cotton on to the reality of this game. It's tough out there.
So go for it flyblu/bluarrow or whatever you end up being called. Not everyone who posts here is a moron, only most of the people who post here! Some of us DO understand that we need brave people with big vision and big pockets to make things happen. You are not without supporters. DO IT!
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Fair point bigbanana, but who's payroll are you on, or maybe your paying yourself I suspect?
You see the thing is, without good cabin crew behind them, there will be no flyblu unless they are prepared to contract in from the eastern block! Something that may be worth remembering in the next brainstorm at flyblu. It is so easy to get a bad reputation.
Why the big down on BSP? If you are paying yourself as I suspect, whats the problem? Did you not pay their bill? Is BSP not run by the delightful LD who used to be of Now Airlines and Flyblu fame anyway? Strange the two should come up in the same post.
Hmmmmm. The more I read your post bigbanana, the more it looks like the front page of Flyblu webpage. Anyone else agree?
You see the thing is, without good cabin crew behind them, there will be no flyblu unless they are prepared to contract in from the eastern block! Something that may be worth remembering in the next brainstorm at flyblu. It is so easy to get a bad reputation.
Why the big down on BSP? If you are paying yourself as I suspect, whats the problem? Did you not pay their bill? Is BSP not run by the delightful LD who used to be of Now Airlines and Flyblu fame anyway? Strange the two should come up in the same post.
Hmmmmm. The more I read your post bigbanana, the more it looks like the front page of Flyblu webpage. Anyone else agree?
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I don't understand why getting so excited. I've been around the biz for a while, and I have learnt to believe it can fly when it's on the tarmac. Before it's only speculation, and we can go on for days with arguments both sides, but it won't make any aircraft take off.