Qf Regional Crew Progression
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Qf Regional Crew Progression
As a matter of interest , just after reading the QF Base transfer topic, when people work for regionals, can they progress to International or is it just to short haul only. Just by what I have read it seems to be short haul. Just interested.
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jasmin at the moment it is short haul progression only. It is not a "transfer" as such, regional crew (technically!) only move into short haul when there is external permanent recruitment, and there also needs to be a certain number recruited before progression occurs.
Hope that helps!
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Hope that helps!
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kinda on the subject
sort of on the subject but kinda not!
i flew today from MKY 2 CNS via TSV. Can i just say that those dash 8 boyz and girls work really hard! and all alone as well!
i have nothing but total respect for u guys...its amazing the work u do.....makes the flighties in short and long haul look like they do nothing! (and before anyone says anything i am just kiddin!!)
the flight attendant was so nice and nothing was a problem....she was amazing and sooooo helpful
well done :P
i flew today from MKY 2 CNS via TSV. Can i just say that those dash 8 boyz and girls work really hard! and all alone as well!
i have nothing but total respect for u guys...its amazing the work u do.....makes the flighties in short and long haul look like they do nothing! (and before anyone says anything i am just kiddin!!)
the flight attendant was so nice and nothing was a problem....she was amazing and sooooo helpful
well done :P
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I didnt want to start a new thread so added this here:
I flew with 2 MAM casuals today who informed me they were made PERMANENT in the last week and start as PERMANENT in Melbourne next month. No reason to disbelieve them - all the other crew were aware of this including the CSM who was briefing them about bidding out of Melbourne.
This may not mean much, however as anyone in regional will know 4 positions are still owed to Eastern (not sure about sunnies) from the intial Perth Short Haul base (as 6 have just been confirmed into Perth 4 EAA and 2 Sunnies).
I suggest regional crew (EAA and Sunnies) contact the FAAA to ensure the balance is progressed to QF ASAP. Not sure if more than 32 MAM casuals have got permanent positions therefore activating the progression document for more positions.
Yes before all the MAM casuals go off I agree you guys should have the opportunity at permanent employment, HOWEVER regional crew have a black and white document and I'm sorry they get first preference if the terms of the document are met.
In this case MAM casuals are getting permanent positions when QF regionals are still OWED positions THIS is not acceptable.
And PLEASE what is going on MAM casuals are getting Melbourne and regionals are getting PERTH!!!!!! Remember these are people that have been with the QF Group for many, many years whereas the MAM casuals concerned have only been with MAM (a contract company for some 2 months)
To make matters worse (shortlisters will be interested in this) the MAM casuals that were confirmed into Permanent positions in Melbourne were only recruited in JANUARY. The REASON well, the MAM casuals converted to permanent were recruited by QF during the October 2002 national recruitment drive, but as we all know NO positions were available therefore they were offered MAM casual. WELL now there are PERMANENT positions available and these people (RECRUITED BY QF DURING THE NATIONAL RECRUITMENT DRIVE) have been converted to permanent Melbourne base short haul. As you can appreciate much to the disgust of the existing MAM casuals. The reason, they were recruited by QF for QF but offered MAM casuals due the lack of positions in QF therefore offered QF positions before people recruited by MAM (through the national MAM recruitment drive before the national recruitment drive by QF in November 2002)
My point (I'm getting to it!!) REGIONAL crew contact the FAAA and force their hand. They are well aware of this (as the crew members concerned were in contact with the FAAA in regard to this issue) and the FAAA are looking after everyoine's interest(MAM are members as well), however these positions are rightly your's NOT MAM casuals.
I flew with 2 MAM casuals today who informed me they were made PERMANENT in the last week and start as PERMANENT in Melbourne next month. No reason to disbelieve them - all the other crew were aware of this including the CSM who was briefing them about bidding out of Melbourne.
This may not mean much, however as anyone in regional will know 4 positions are still owed to Eastern (not sure about sunnies) from the intial Perth Short Haul base (as 6 have just been confirmed into Perth 4 EAA and 2 Sunnies).
I suggest regional crew (EAA and Sunnies) contact the FAAA to ensure the balance is progressed to QF ASAP. Not sure if more than 32 MAM casuals have got permanent positions therefore activating the progression document for more positions.
Yes before all the MAM casuals go off I agree you guys should have the opportunity at permanent employment, HOWEVER regional crew have a black and white document and I'm sorry they get first preference if the terms of the document are met.
In this case MAM casuals are getting permanent positions when QF regionals are still OWED positions THIS is not acceptable.
And PLEASE what is going on MAM casuals are getting Melbourne and regionals are getting PERTH!!!!!! Remember these are people that have been with the QF Group for many, many years whereas the MAM casuals concerned have only been with MAM (a contract company for some 2 months)
To make matters worse (shortlisters will be interested in this) the MAM casuals that were confirmed into Permanent positions in Melbourne were only recruited in JANUARY. The REASON well, the MAM casuals converted to permanent were recruited by QF during the October 2002 national recruitment drive, but as we all know NO positions were available therefore they were offered MAM casual. WELL now there are PERMANENT positions available and these people (RECRUITED BY QF DURING THE NATIONAL RECRUITMENT DRIVE) have been converted to permanent Melbourne base short haul. As you can appreciate much to the disgust of the existing MAM casuals. The reason, they were recruited by QF for QF but offered MAM casuals due the lack of positions in QF therefore offered QF positions before people recruited by MAM (through the national MAM recruitment drive before the national recruitment drive by QF in November 2002)
My point (I'm getting to it!!) REGIONAL crew contact the FAAA and force their hand. They are well aware of this (as the crew members concerned were in contact with the FAAA in regard to this issue) and the FAAA are looking after everyoine's interest(MAM are members as well), however these positions are rightly your's NOT MAM casuals.
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I think we all need to make sure we have all of the facts. I think it is extremely unlikely that any MAM crew have been offered permanent positions as QF SH cabin crew. If anyone has more details, pls provide.
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Galleyhag is usually pretty spot on with the info (as are most of the QF contributors).
If this has happened then its disappointing, but I won't start to worry until after 31 March!
If this has happened then its disappointing, but I won't start to worry until after 31 March!
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I only passed information that was being freely discussed on-board with the MAM casuals concerned. I dont see what these people would have to gain by not telling the truth as it would only be a matter of time before they were found out and then they would look like idiots for not being truthful therefore I believe what they said. Furthermore this issue was being discussed again today.
Anyway, I passed their names onto the FAAA, they can investigate further with QF and get to the bottom of it.
gigs:
What rock have you been living under? But to bring you up to speed the last time QF recruited externally was during October 2002 they held a national recruitment drive. From this drive people where shortlisted. These people have subsequently had their shortlist position extended and extended due to now expire on 31 March 2004. Hope this clears it up for you.
Anyway, I passed their names onto the FAAA, they can investigate further with QF and get to the bottom of it.
gigs:
What rock have you been living under? But to bring you up to speed the last time QF recruited externally was during October 2002 they held a national recruitment drive. From this drive people where shortlisted. These people have subsequently had their shortlist position extended and extended due to now expire on 31 March 2004. Hope this clears it up for you.
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MAM going PERMANENT
hey galleyhag, thanks for the info and yes it is a good idea for us to ring the FAAA on this matter but i'm not going to do that until i have some concrete info. such as names?
try to see it from my perspective: ringing the FAAA and saying that i heard from a friend that MAM casuals were going full time into melbourne base, dosent really sound like its solid info.
is there any other info you can submit??????
cheers mate,
try to see it from my perspective: ringing the FAAA and saying that i heard from a friend that MAM casuals were going full time into melbourne base, dosent really sound like its solid info.
is there any other info you can submit??????
cheers mate,
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As stated in my last post I passed their names onto the FAAA Rep. Im certainly not going to post their names on here. Either way the FAAA are working for you not the other way around, if you want information the FAAA can gain this from QF for you all you have to do is ask.
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if this is true...
and they are offering permanent to MAM casuals...it probably comes down to the wonderful Geoff Dixon world of "cost-cutting".
They don't have to train MAM casuals, they are already there. Where as they do have to train the regionals, then leaving the regionals to do some recruiting to cover the loss. Once again, they are covering their own butts by screwing the regionals... just another day my friends.
Technically(which means nothing), they actually owe EAA 18spots to progression and the latest intake was four!!! With back-up promises of four more mid-year. Correct me if I'm wrong but that only adds up to eight!
Ever seen that funny pic of the female/male skeleton waiting for their Perfect Man/Woman....that's regionals waiting for progression!!! lol
They don't have to train MAM casuals, they are already there. Where as they do have to train the regionals, then leaving the regionals to do some recruiting to cover the loss. Once again, they are covering their own butts by screwing the regionals... just another day my friends.
Technically(which means nothing), they actually owe EAA 18spots to progression and the latest intake was four!!! With back-up promises of four more mid-year. Correct me if I'm wrong but that only adds up to eight!
Ever seen that funny pic of the female/male skeleton waiting for their Perfect Man/Woman....that's regionals waiting for progression!!! lol
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This is my first post, so hello everyone:
I e-mailed the FAAA in regard to this issue and was advised that no MAM casuals have been converted to permanent. The FAAA went to MAM management who confirmed this, however they did not go to QF for confirmation.
I have to believe what the FAAA are telling me, however it does concern me that they didnt go direct to QF. I have been reading this forum for sometime and even though GalleyHag can be straight to the point and down right rude at times he/she is always pretty close to the mark with information and I have to agree why would crew tell other crew they were made permanent if they weren't.
Furthermore what we agreed to in the EBA concerning progression was:
8 Positions were owed from the start-up of the Perth Short Haul base.
10 Positions when Qantas next recruit for permanent crew and (as per the terms of the career progression document - on the notice board in the crew room) 32 people need to be made permanent before 10 go over from Eastern.
This is where people are confused and have this 18 figure in their head, as the company was saying during the EBA we will take 18 next time Qantas recruit.
Now, as Qantas have NOT recruited for some time and it doesnt look likely for permanent positions anyway in the near future the FAAA have put pressure on Qantas to at least honour the 8 which was owed. Therefore 4 positions have been confirmed into Perth Short Haul starting in April and the FAAA will be pressuring Qantas to confirm the remaining 4 positions which are owed.
The 10 will go when Qantas next recruit permanently into Short Haul (more than 32). So expect the next progression number to be only 4 again. I wont be holding my breath for much progression movement after that.
I e-mailed the FAAA in regard to this issue and was advised that no MAM casuals have been converted to permanent. The FAAA went to MAM management who confirmed this, however they did not go to QF for confirmation.
I have to believe what the FAAA are telling me, however it does concern me that they didnt go direct to QF. I have been reading this forum for sometime and even though GalleyHag can be straight to the point and down right rude at times he/she is always pretty close to the mark with information and I have to agree why would crew tell other crew they were made permanent if they weren't.
Furthermore what we agreed to in the EBA concerning progression was:
8 Positions were owed from the start-up of the Perth Short Haul base.
10 Positions when Qantas next recruit for permanent crew and (as per the terms of the career progression document - on the notice board in the crew room) 32 people need to be made permanent before 10 go over from Eastern.
This is where people are confused and have this 18 figure in their head, as the company was saying during the EBA we will take 18 next time Qantas recruit.
Now, as Qantas have NOT recruited for some time and it doesnt look likely for permanent positions anyway in the near future the FAAA have put pressure on Qantas to at least honour the 8 which was owed. Therefore 4 positions have been confirmed into Perth Short Haul starting in April and the FAAA will be pressuring Qantas to confirm the remaining 4 positions which are owed.
The 10 will go when Qantas next recruit permanently into Short Haul (more than 32). So expect the next progression number to be only 4 again. I wont be holding my breath for much progression movement after that.
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I, too, spoke to the FAAA about this situation. The feedback that I received was that there has definately not been any conversion of MAM casual to full time.
However, I must admit I am feeling a bit concerned that this may just be the FAAA fobbing me off without really investigating the situation in full. If I could look into it further myself, I would.
If anymore information does come to light, could you please pass it on. Feel free to PM me. Thankyou, in advance.
However, I must admit I am feeling a bit concerned that this may just be the FAAA fobbing me off without really investigating the situation in full. If I could look into it further myself, I would.
If anymore information does come to light, could you please pass it on. Feel free to PM me. Thankyou, in advance.
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Unless anyone has any further info, I think it is safe to assume that this rumour was wrong.
Easternboy,
Thanks for your info on career progression. It appears to be correct and up to date.
Easternboy,
Thanks for your info on career progression. It appears to be correct and up to date.
