Do Us Shortlister Really Have A Chance?
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ---
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Do Us Shortlister Really Have A Chance?
When QF recruit, advertising permanent, casual and fixed term positions based in Melboure, Sydney and Perth, do they actually have positions? or are they getting the "right" people and then holding them until they do actually have the positions?
As a few people have mentioned, most of the people that went through the same time as me Nov/Dec 2002 have just had their shortlist extended until the end of Feb 2004. Is this a good sign and any QF crew out their, is their a good chance of us actually getting in, or after QF extending the shortlist for six months about three times, would they then turn around and say we're not needed any more? Don't get me wrong, i am more than happy to sit and wait on the shorlist, but i just can't wait for that call! & before they actually use anyone from the shorlist, do regionals ie Eastern/Sunstate/Impulse/QFLink etc or MAM, do they have priority over us???
This isn't a whinge, but just looking for some info.
Anything would be great!
As a few people have mentioned, most of the people that went through the same time as me Nov/Dec 2002 have just had their shortlist extended until the end of Feb 2004. Is this a good sign and any QF crew out their, is their a good chance of us actually getting in, or after QF extending the shortlist for six months about three times, would they then turn around and say we're not needed any more? Don't get me wrong, i am more than happy to sit and wait on the shorlist, but i just can't wait for that call! & before they actually use anyone from the shorlist, do regionals ie Eastern/Sunstate/Impulse/QFLink etc or MAM, do they have priority over us???
This isn't a whinge, but just looking for some info.
Anything would be great!
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: sydney
Posts: 22
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
OZcabin crew, I know exactly how you feel.......
I went through the interview just before you guys in Aug/Sep.
I received a letter to say my short list has extended till Dec 2003.
Apparently, there are heaps more people who went through before me are still waiting , not sure if QF will start contacting people in order though.
Hope we all get through,oneday.
I went through the interview just before you guys in Aug/Sep.
I received a letter to say my short list has extended till Dec 2003.
Apparently, there are heaps more people who went through before me are still waiting , not sure if QF will start contacting people in order though.
Hope we all get through,oneday.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: MEL via SYD via PER.
Posts: 40
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
When did you get the email to say your shortlist was extended til Feb 2004????? I'm in the same recruitment and I can't recall that email. Or perhaps, its just that it doesn't register amongst the rest of the mindnumbing indifference I have developed to prospective aviation jobs.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ---
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
KAKA, i got the extension email in the first week of August.
I speak to QF crew every day, and no-one can work out what order they take people from the shortlist. There are some people who have been on the shortlist for 15 months and haven't had the call, but when they opened the Perth base, some of the people that got in had their interviews the same time as us Nov/Dec, so just because you've been on the shortlist for 15 months, doesn't necessarily mean you would be the first to be called.
I know of two QF crew, they both had their interviews, but a year apart, and the person that had their interviews a year later got the call first. So, who knows how they do it??? It is possibly dependant upon the score in which you got at the end of the whole recruitment process?
I'll tell you what though, the day i get that call, i think i'll have a heart attack!!!!!!
ps-i've heard there's roughly only about 300 people on the shortlist, but that's a rumour?
good luck everyone!
I speak to QF crew every day, and no-one can work out what order they take people from the shortlist. There are some people who have been on the shortlist for 15 months and haven't had the call, but when they opened the Perth base, some of the people that got in had their interviews the same time as us Nov/Dec, so just because you've been on the shortlist for 15 months, doesn't necessarily mean you would be the first to be called.
I know of two QF crew, they both had their interviews, but a year apart, and the person that had their interviews a year later got the call first. So, who knows how they do it??? It is possibly dependant upon the score in which you got at the end of the whole recruitment process?
I'll tell you what though, the day i get that call, i think i'll have a heart attack!!!!!!
ps-i've heard there's roughly only about 300 people on the shortlist, but that's a rumour?
good luck everyone!
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: London
Age: 41
Posts: 269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm sure there's still hope...I mean after all, it would have cost Qantas a fair amount to do the interviews, and what's the point of doing it and wasting their time and money just to dump us off the shortlist. That makes no sense. Well, that's my theory anyway, and I'm sticking to it!!!! 
Gotta have something to keep me positive!
I know what you mean though...If they called me I'd have a heart attack too! One of my friends who already works for QF said when he got "the call" he was driving, and crashed his car and had to call them back...hehehe...That'd totally be me!
Gotta have something to keep me positive!I know what you mean though...If they called me I'd have a heart attack too! One of my friends who already works for QF said when he got "the call" he was driving, and crashed his car and had to call them back...hehehe...That'd totally be me!
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ---
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I'm just worried that if they did try to call me, for some reason i'd miss the call. I mean i always have my phone on except for at work when everyone is asked to turn them off, but hopefully they then call me at work or something?????My current employer is fully aware of what I am doing, so........
Sarah, that's what i think too, they interviewed all of those people in Perth, let alone all of the other cities, it must have cost them a fortune, silly just to throw it all away. Hopefully they just keep extending us until we're needed. All of the QF guys that i have spoken to have all just about been on the shortlist for over 12 months before they got the call, some even up to 18 months, it seems to be the norm. Most of the time the waiting is fine, but then some days it is so frustrating, cos i worry have they forgotten me amongst all of the other people etc......it's easy to think negative about it all, but have to keep reminding yourself to stay positive!
Lets hope we hear soon!
Good luck to you
Sarah, that's what i think too, they interviewed all of those people in Perth, let alone all of the other cities, it must have cost them a fortune, silly just to throw it all away. Hopefully they just keep extending us until we're needed. All of the QF guys that i have spoken to have all just about been on the shortlist for over 12 months before they got the call, some even up to 18 months, it seems to be the norm. Most of the time the waiting is fine, but then some days it is so frustrating, cos i worry have they forgotten me amongst all of the other people etc......it's easy to think negative about it all, but have to keep reminding yourself to stay positive!
Lets hope we hear soon!
Good luck to you
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: In a box, ready for shipping...
Posts: 717
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The most recent recruitment was for planned increases in flying. Sometimes, as has been the case previously, QF recruit to fill up waitlists for projected increases in flying (some 6-9 months down the track) - so they don't necessarily have positions there and then when you apply, but they plan to.
Unfortunately, as we have all seen, the extensions have been never-ending (at least they extended!). Partly because QF knows they spent a small fortune on the process, and starting from scratch serves no real purpose - apart from double-handling a bunch of people they've already proven to be worth the selection process!
I am hearing rumours and so on that there will be some movement late this year (around November)...things are picking up slowly.
If a regional crew member goes for a position externally, they are not given any more preference over someone from the street. Same goes for those at other airlines trying to get in (like NJS, Virgin Blue, etc). But the animal that is Qantas HR can be a strange beast every now and then...
Unfortunately, as we have all seen, the extensions have been never-ending (at least they extended!). Partly because QF knows they spent a small fortune on the process, and starting from scratch serves no real purpose - apart from double-handling a bunch of people they've already proven to be worth the selection process!
I am hearing rumours and so on that there will be some movement late this year (around November)...things are picking up slowly.
If a regional crew member goes for a position externally, they are not given any more preference over someone from the street. Same goes for those at other airlines trying to get in (like NJS, Virgin Blue, etc). But the animal that is Qantas HR can be a strange beast every now and then...
Join Date: May 2003
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 35
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
THE PAIN OF A WAIT-LIST - I guess I am not alone.
I just received the letter from Australian. That after attending an interview in Cairns (March) and being waitlisted many months ago that my requirements don't fit their operation. I am extemely disappointed but I am also on the QF waitlist. I hope that they don't do the same. At the end of the day it is the same company.
I was advised I was on The QF waitlist on 26th March so I should be receiving a letter about waitlist extention soon hopefully. Has anyone in Melbourne received this letter already? I am happy to wait but I sure would like some indication to what is happening and if any positions are likely to be offered and if so what type.
Rumours build your hopes and maintain some positive thinking but you come down off the high cause nothing seems to be happening. It is hard to move on in your life when you are passionate about flying and being apart of aviation. What other industry keeps people hanging like this? You prove in your interview that you are dedicated and enthusiastic. Your the person for the job. They hand you the letter thats says 'congratulations you are on the waitlist', then you are left hanging!! I believe that the future is going to be hard and that the time of full time employment is coming to an end. Flexability has its merit and you must be able to embrace change. I also believe another player is going to come in to our market and this may also provide challenge and of course more flight attendant jobs.
The waiting is just hard. Then being told you preformed really well at the interview and every other criteria has been met that your on the list. Then to wait 6 months and be told that a panel of managers that have not met you believe that you are no good really tears you apart and brings reallity back to you.
I hope that Qantas are far dinkcum about people and recruitment and that some information is feed back to us soon. This web site seems to have become a life line for the waitlists whom patient sit and wait. Thank -you to the peole who try to provide insight and information to us. It is great.
To QANTAS - there are some great people waiting out here. The information courtesy notes you provided during the war and sars where great but how about another one with maybe a possible forcast or so information on where your business is going. We are all part of it and have a vested interest as it is our future too.
Just some personal thoughts that where better off out that keep hiden away. I know I am not alone.
Have a good day
I was advised I was on The QF waitlist on 26th March so I should be receiving a letter about waitlist extention soon hopefully. Has anyone in Melbourne received this letter already? I am happy to wait but I sure would like some indication to what is happening and if any positions are likely to be offered and if so what type.
Rumours build your hopes and maintain some positive thinking but you come down off the high cause nothing seems to be happening. It is hard to move on in your life when you are passionate about flying and being apart of aviation. What other industry keeps people hanging like this? You prove in your interview that you are dedicated and enthusiastic. Your the person for the job. They hand you the letter thats says 'congratulations you are on the waitlist', then you are left hanging!! I believe that the future is going to be hard and that the time of full time employment is coming to an end. Flexability has its merit and you must be able to embrace change. I also believe another player is going to come in to our market and this may also provide challenge and of course more flight attendant jobs.
The waiting is just hard. Then being told you preformed really well at the interview and every other criteria has been met that your on the list. Then to wait 6 months and be told that a panel of managers that have not met you believe that you are no good really tears you apart and brings reallity back to you.
I hope that Qantas are far dinkcum about people and recruitment and that some information is feed back to us soon. This web site seems to have become a life line for the waitlists whom patient sit and wait. Thank -you to the peole who try to provide insight and information to us. It is great.
To QANTAS - there are some great people waiting out here. The information courtesy notes you provided during the war and sars where great but how about another one with maybe a possible forcast or so information on where your business is going. We are all part of it and have a vested interest as it is our future too.
Just some personal thoughts that where better off out that keep hiden away. I know I am not alone.
Have a good day
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: In an airspace near you!
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Melbourne shortlist
Airbust....
No one really knows whats happening with recruitment as there is so much rumour and speculation and it changes constantly.
I did read in another post that a Melbourne applicant did not have their waitlist renewed.
My initial 6 months is due to expire around the same time as you, so I'm waiting with crossed everything!
We probably went through the recruitment in Melbourne at the same time!
Good luck.
No one really knows whats happening with recruitment as there is so much rumour and speculation and it changes constantly.
I did read in another post that a Melbourne applicant did not have their waitlist renewed.
My initial 6 months is due to expire around the same time as you, so I'm waiting with crossed everything!
We probably went through the recruitment in Melbourne at the same time!
Good luck.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ---
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Good Luck
Good luck OZskipper and all other shortlisters waiting on an extension email/letter. Ozskipper, i was put on the shortlist in the first week of Feb, therefore it was due to expire in the first week of August, from what i can see, some people including me from our round of interviews had their shortlist extended until the end of Feb 2004, but i did hear of the odd person who wasn't extended. Good luck with everything, fingers crossed, things seem to be picking up, so hopefully we all eventually get the call!!!!!
Good luck everyone
Good luck everyone
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ---
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
NO QF Recruitment for the Next 2 years???
Hi everyone, heard today from a colleague, that they're friend had been talking to someone (not mentioning any names) in QF Management in Perth during the week & heard that Qantas will not be recruiting at all for the next 2 years???? Is this right???? if so, were they just talking about the Perth base or.........
Aren't F/A's currently going through interviews to become interviewers in the next recruitment drives? So why would QF waste all of there money on doing this if they weren't going to be recruiting??????Please correct me if i'm wrong as this obviously isn't good news for us shortlisters!!!!!
P.S- Any more news on the new Qantas "budget" airline?????
Thanks
Aren't F/A's currently going through interviews to become interviewers in the next recruitment drives? So why would QF waste all of there money on doing this if they weren't going to be recruiting??????Please correct me if i'm wrong as this obviously isn't good news for us shortlisters!!!!!
P.S- Any more news on the new Qantas "budget" airline?????
Thanks
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: In an airspace near you!
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Confusing
I'm not entirely sure what all that means Biscuit Chucker (although I do have a tendancy to be somewhat remedial from time to time).
So BNE, MEL & SYD bases are short staffed?
So BNE, MEL & SYD bases are short staffed?
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 156
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Interesting
Hi Biscuit Chucker
I noticed that the MAM website is seeking casuals for Melb, Bris, and Syd as per mentioned on their website below.
Maybe MAMs recruitment is to assist with QFs current shortage??
**Maurice Alexander Management's Aviation Support Services has been chosen to provide Casual Flight Attendants to Qantas. MAM are now looking for people to join its operations in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane as MAM Casual Short Haul Flight Attendants for the Qantas account.**
I noticed that the MAM website is seeking casuals for Melb, Bris, and Syd as per mentioned on their website below.
Maybe MAMs recruitment is to assist with QFs current shortage??
**Maurice Alexander Management's Aviation Support Services has been chosen to provide Casual Flight Attendants to Qantas. MAM are now looking for people to join its operations in Melbourne, Sydney and Brisbane as MAM Casual Short Haul Flight Attendants for the Qantas account.**
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: ---
Posts: 594
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
MAM
Yeah, i read that the other day and registered. But they ask for no details apart from things like, name, address, contact details etc. How do they scale down applicants by those details?
It's great to be on the shortlist and i really don't mind waiting, but there seem to be quite a few people that will get offered positions before us shortlisters, is this right?
It's great to be on the shortlist and i really don't mind waiting, but there seem to be quite a few people that will get offered positions before us shortlisters, is this right?
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
vdd,OZcabincrew....
In reference to the MAM site -
it has obviously confused many as most think that MAM have just started recruiting when in fact this information indicating recruitment has been on this site since at least the start of this year(around Feb) as I have been frequently checking this sight and unless I'm going blind or mad,this is the case....
Sorry,don't ask me why it has been this way or what Maurice is planning on doing with the expressions of interest he gets????
Don't mean to put a damper on things but thought I'd let you know..my fingers are still crossed despite conflicting,confusing rumours /information.....
PS see new thread/post re:update on position of shortlisters according to QF
it has obviously confused many as most think that MAM have just started recruiting when in fact this information indicating recruitment has been on this site since at least the start of this year(around Feb) as I have been frequently checking this sight and unless I'm going blind or mad,this is the case....
Sorry,don't ask me why it has been this way or what Maurice is planning on doing with the expressions of interest he gets????
Don't mean to put a damper on things but thought I'd let you know..my fingers are still crossed despite conflicting,confusing rumours /information.....
PS see new thread/post re:update on position of shortlisters according to QF
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Sydney AUSTRALIA
Posts: 313
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
There is a recruitment freeze for mainline until at least the end of the financial year. It has clearly been stated that no external recruitment or calling from waiting lists will take place before June 04.
Some short listers are being called in for more interviews and the 12 month waiting period is being extended to 18 months. I hate to think of what is going to happen to the others!
So all those 'rumours' that were going around claiming that QF will be calling wait listers this year or early next is not true.
Fingers crossed that we can stay on the wait list untill something does finally come up. Otherwise it is such a waist of QF's (and our) money and time!
Dissapointed......
Some short listers are being called in for more interviews and the 12 month waiting period is being extended to 18 months. I hate to think of what is going to happen to the others!
So all those 'rumours' that were going around claiming that QF will be calling wait listers this year or early next is not true.
Fingers crossed that we can stay on the wait list untill something does finally come up. Otherwise it is such a waist of QF's (and our) money and time!
Dissapointed......
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: In an airspace near you!
Posts: 431
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The rumours change almost hourly so I'll just continue to plod along and wait and see.
I'd heard recruitment was going to be Jun, Jul then I heard Sep, Oct and recently I've heard Dec, Jan and then of course the most recent is no recruitment for the 2003/04 financial year.
So, I'd suggest that no one really knows for certain except the big guy at the top.
I guess we'll just have to hold our collective breath!
I'd heard recruitment was going to be Jun, Jul then I heard Sep, Oct and recently I've heard Dec, Jan and then of course the most recent is no recruitment for the 2003/04 financial year.
So, I'd suggest that no one really knows for certain except the big guy at the top.
I guess we'll just have to hold our collective breath!
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 72
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Maybe all these short listers are Mr Dixon's insurance to keep the
current incumbants in line in case of a revolt if/when he announces his new low cost carrier (Skimpy), which could cause
industrial unrest amongst present troops.
current incumbants in line in case of a revolt if/when he announces his new low cost carrier (Skimpy), which could cause
industrial unrest amongst present troops.
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Sydney
Posts: 628
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Most of the information posted is rumour and speculation, but the information that cloud nine posted is FACT and has been given in writing on the QF cabin crew web site. I know from time to time they dont even know what is going on but a lot of their written information relates to the 2003/04 year which makes everyone think that has viewed this information that it comes down to budgets.