Jetstar - Wannabes & Recruitment II
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Indamiddle, not having a go here, just wondering if you took the flying allowance into account when considering what the difference would be in a year's pay between Jetstar and Team Jetstar cabin crew?
Because the $11.70 per block hour flying allowance should add around $12,000 a year to our base salary, if you go by the example of approximately 89 block hours per month (out of 120 duty hours). That would bring what a Team Jetstar flight attendant earns in a year up to what current Jetstar flight attendants earn - roughly - if my understanding of what JQ crew earn (after their allowances are added) is correct.
It is longer duty hours and the potential for higher hours rostered per month that Jetstar is gaining from Team Jetstar crew. Our duty hours are 12 hours planned, 15 max (with delays/disruptions). Max hours for a calendar-month roster is 164. But just as an example, I have only been rostered 114 hours this month. I have been given 8 available days though. Called out on 2 of 4 of those days so far.
Well, I signed up for this job as Team Jetstar having not flown before under any previous contracts or conditions so I guess you could say I don't know any better. I do have a few mates who were already working for Jetstar and had given me a comparison of their contract versus mine, but still as the cliche goes;
it was the 'job of my dreams' so there was no knocking it back! And I'm loving it so far - everyone's been so friendly and welcoming - and I haven't been getting a hard time from anyone about the Team JQ thing which is great. 
As for the $1000 incentive for you guys to make the transition prior to August this year, well I'm not saying that's a good or bad idea to take up. But bear in mind the fact that your EBA is up for negotiation early next year, and a lot of JQ crew I've been speaking to out on line fear that the new duty hours, rest periods and all that stuff that is decided on may end up being brought closely into line with the TJQ agreement and maybe getting in with TJQ now (and getting a $1000 bonus while you're at it) might not be such a silly idea?
Just an opinion from a Team Jetstarrer, don't shoot me please! lol.
Because the $11.70 per block hour flying allowance should add around $12,000 a year to our base salary, if you go by the example of approximately 89 block hours per month (out of 120 duty hours). That would bring what a Team Jetstar flight attendant earns in a year up to what current Jetstar flight attendants earn - roughly - if my understanding of what JQ crew earn (after their allowances are added) is correct.
It is longer duty hours and the potential for higher hours rostered per month that Jetstar is gaining from Team Jetstar crew. Our duty hours are 12 hours planned, 15 max (with delays/disruptions). Max hours for a calendar-month roster is 164. But just as an example, I have only been rostered 114 hours this month. I have been given 8 available days though. Called out on 2 of 4 of those days so far.
Well, I signed up for this job as Team Jetstar having not flown before under any previous contracts or conditions so I guess you could say I don't know any better. I do have a few mates who were already working for Jetstar and had given me a comparison of their contract versus mine, but still as the cliche goes;
it was the 'job of my dreams' so there was no knocking it back! And I'm loving it so far - everyone's been so friendly and welcoming - and I haven't been getting a hard time from anyone about the Team JQ thing which is great. As for the $1000 incentive for you guys to make the transition prior to August this year, well I'm not saying that's a good or bad idea to take up. But bear in mind the fact that your EBA is up for negotiation early next year, and a lot of JQ crew I've been speaking to out on line fear that the new duty hours, rest periods and all that stuff that is decided on may end up being brought closely into line with the TJQ agreement and maybe getting in with TJQ now (and getting a $1000 bonus while you're at it) might not be such a silly idea?
Just an opinion from a Team Jetstarrer, don't shoot me please! lol.
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TJQboy... We all know they way they operate.
Come negotiation time they'll spin this rhetoric "Vote yes for this EBA (TeamJQ contract masked as a regular EBA) and we'll give you a $1000 sign on bonus".
I'd imagine most current crew would prefer to remain on their current terms and conditions for as long as they can, before accepting anything else.
Either way I can see crew being offered a $1000 bonus.
Come negotiation time they'll spin this rhetoric "Vote yes for this EBA (TeamJQ contract masked as a regular EBA) and we'll give you a $1000 sign on bonus".
I'd imagine most current crew would prefer to remain on their current terms and conditions for as long as they can, before accepting anything else.
Either way I can see crew being offered a $1000 bonus.
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TeamJQBoy - I don't work for JQ however the figures you've written appear to be inflated - they don't take into account annual leave & sick leave for a start.
Also it's worth noting that the reduced base salary is the rate your leave (annual & sick) is paid on - this would be somewhat reduced from what I understand the current JQ crew earn.
Having recently been offered a TJQ interview for CM, I was somewhat horrified at the salary on offer (as CM's apparently don't get any block hour allowance but rather a bonus as dictated by JQ management). Having flown before, when this was balanced against the 168 duty hours (higher then other airlines) and the mostly day trips, the conditions seemed rather substandard.
I'm sure the people at TJQ are fantastic and you're right in that the job probably works for someone like you, who has never flown before & who probably only wants to do it for a few years - for those seeking a career in flying though there are only 2 airlines of choice now in Australia.
Also it's worth noting that the reduced base salary is the rate your leave (annual & sick) is paid on - this would be somewhat reduced from what I understand the current JQ crew earn.
Having recently been offered a TJQ interview for CM, I was somewhat horrified at the salary on offer (as CM's apparently don't get any block hour allowance but rather a bonus as dictated by JQ management). Having flown before, when this was balanced against the 168 duty hours (higher then other airlines) and the mostly day trips, the conditions seemed rather substandard.
I'm sure the people at TJQ are fantastic and you're right in that the job probably works for someone like you, who has never flown before & who probably only wants to do it for a few years - for those seeking a career in flying though there are only 2 airlines of choice now in Australia.
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WOW, I guess this is a sign of the times.... I am happy doing AVV/BNE at 5.15am for the rest of my life. No way am I siging up for $1000 before tax anything.
I remember when we got that little sweetner with the last EBA and I think I came out with about $485 after tax.
Does anyone know of anyone who has taken up the offer or who is seriously considering it?
I remember when we got that little sweetner with the last EBA and I think I came out with about $485 after tax.
Does anyone know of anyone who has taken up the offer or who is seriously considering it?
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more and more reason for current JQ staff to encourage others to join the FAAA and fight to maintain our conditions when our EBA is negotiated.
Now that people can physically see what the company 'want' they will hopefully have more personal energy to fight the company over the EBA come negotiation time
Now that people can physically see what the company 'want' they will hopefully have more personal energy to fight the company over the EBA come negotiation time
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I got through the second interview ..... Yippeee!!!
I'm so happy but sort of hesitant hearing all this bad talk about Team Jetstar terms and conditions.
Hmmmm........ Is there any happy team jetstar people out there?
and, sorry to sound retarded but... what does the 'Q' stand for in JQ?
I'm so happy but sort of hesitant hearing all this bad talk about Team Jetstar terms and conditions.
Hmmmm........ Is there any happy team jetstar people out there?
and, sorry to sound retarded but... what does the 'Q' stand for in JQ?
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I'd say there are plenty of happy TeamJQ staff around at the moment.
I'd say ask the same question again in about 8 months and you'd probably get a different answer when all the "This is my dream job" excitement has dwindled.
I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic, but even crew covered under the EBA feel that way at times.
and JQ is just the IATA designator code. Doesn't really need to stand for anything.
IE Jetstar Asia uses 3K, Qantas QF, Virgin Blue DJ.
I'd say ask the same question again in about 8 months and you'd probably get a different answer when all the "This is my dream job" excitement has dwindled.
I'm sorry to sound so pessimistic, but even crew covered under the EBA feel that way at times.
and JQ is just the IATA designator code. Doesn't really need to stand for anything.
IE Jetstar Asia uses 3K, Qantas QF, Virgin Blue DJ.
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Congratulations Flyingemu
I think you will probably really enjoy the job. If you have always wanted to do it then i say go for it and try to enjoy it. The way i think is if you do the hard yards at Jetstar (which you will, believe me. there is no glamour
) you will want to later try and get into qf or virgin. At least you will have airline experience and you will appreciate working for full service so much more after working for jq. Just a thought.
I met a few new recruits in the current ground school and they seemed really happy so i hope you enjoy it too.
I think you will probably really enjoy the job. If you have always wanted to do it then i say go for it and try to enjoy it. The way i think is if you do the hard yards at Jetstar (which you will, believe me. there is no glamour
) you will want to later try and get into qf or virgin. At least you will have airline experience and you will appreciate working for full service so much more after working for jq. Just a thought.I met a few new recruits in the current ground school and they seemed really happy so i hope you enjoy it too.
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Hi Miss Hostie,
I hope you can answer some of my questions, I went to the Dec 07 intake for LHCC Melbourne based, I am currently on the active hold list. Do you have any idea when would be the next ground school in Melbourne or at least any idea how long is the normal wait in general from your experience??
I hope you can answer some of my questions, I went to the Dec 07 intake for LHCC Melbourne based, I am currently on the active hold list. Do you have any idea when would be the next ground school in Melbourne or at least any idea how long is the normal wait in general from your experience??
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G'day! Flyingemu
Did you apply for LH or SH. I went to the Dec 07 intake for LHCC and now was put on the active hold list. Any idea when is the next Ground School in Melbourne.???
Did you apply for LH or SH. I went to the Dec 07 intake for LHCC and now was put on the active hold list. Any idea when is the next Ground School in Melbourne.???
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Hi there re ur question im a JQI CSM on the DPS rtn flights its dependant on the loadings of flight if full then no rest we are supposed to have 2 seats in crew rest reserved..
As a CSM, isn't it your responsibility to liase with groundstaff to ensure that sufficient seats are blocked off to provide adequate crew rest? (surely something like this is outlined in your EBA?) I'm sure if I were operating cabincrew on that sector, expecting my crew rest to be given but then to be told that it was not possible due... Why? Poor leadership on the CSM's behalf.
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Thanks and more questions!
Airbusthreetwenty & Miss Hostie
Thanks for the words of advice
..... I'm definitley not expecting this job will be glamorous. If anything, i'm thinking it might just make or break me! But I guess that I won't know until I give it a go. And anyway I still have the security and medical test thingys to get through so fingers crossed!!
Thestarcrew... I applied for domestic... hmmm... not sure if they are planning to train all of us together ?? but I remember being told that training for us would not commence until around April.
Hang in there, I think as some people have already mentioned, they are quite unpredictable with getting back to interviewees (
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One more thing..... at my interview they mentioned that there would be opportunities for Domestic Cabin Crew to travel on international trips... does anyone know anything more of this? And if so perhaps how often this would happen in a rostered month ?.....
Thanks for the words of advice
..... I'm definitley not expecting this job will be glamorous. If anything, i'm thinking it might just make or break me! But I guess that I won't know until I give it a go. And anyway I still have the security and medical test thingys to get through so fingers crossed!!Thestarcrew... I applied for domestic... hmmm... not sure if they are planning to train all of us together ?? but I remember being told that training for us would not commence until around April.
Hang in there, I think as some people have already mentioned, they are quite unpredictable with getting back to interviewees (
)One more thing..... at my interview they mentioned that there would be opportunities for Domestic Cabin Crew to travel on international trips... does anyone know anything more of this? And if so perhaps how often this would happen in a rostered month ?.....
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Hey Flyingemu
Thanks very much for the reply, the wait is killing me as you know.
If you haven't done your medical yet I suggest you go to the south Melbourne clinic, they pretty much on the ball and should get an appointment really quick. They deal mostly with work related medicals so they're pretty organised. I hope to see you in GS by april, not sure myself since I applied for LH. All the best
Thanks very much for the reply, the wait is killing me as you know.
If you haven't done your medical yet I suggest you go to the south Melbourne clinic, they pretty much on the ball and should get an appointment really quick. They deal mostly with work related medicals so they're pretty organised. I hope to see you in GS by april, not sure myself since I applied for LH. All the best
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there will be no difference anymore between LH and SH - you will all be trained in the same groundschools on all three aircraft (A320, 321, 330)
You will then be given either primarially LH flying, or SH, but your roster could include a mix. The reason they might of told you for a SH interview that you could be doing LH flying is that you are able to work LH hours, which means they can call you out or roster you for a LH flight if they wish, so yes if you are TJQ SH you probably will do some LH flying and vice versa.
all one groundschool. no difference anymore.
You will then be given either primarially LH flying, or SH, but your roster could include a mix. The reason they might of told you for a SH interview that you could be doing LH flying is that you are able to work LH hours, which means they can call you out or roster you for a LH flight if they wish, so yes if you are TJQ SH you probably will do some LH flying and vice versa.
all one groundschool. no difference anymore.
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One point and one question!
Hey Guys!
We'll go with the point first!
From what I read on here, JQ crew are going to paid somewhere around 50k all in if I have read correctly yeah?? just as a slight comparison to why you shouldnt all be that worried, $50k equates to around GBP23k. I get paid less than that now in my current company and I am a Purser having to live in London! I am seriously considering coming back to Oz if that is what I can earn for less work!!! If anyone is interested, PM me and I will show my contract and maybe it will help you all see that its not that bad what is being offered to you. At the end of the day it is a LCC and they are known for paying lower than others!! Get in contact if you want some comparisons to airlines here in Europe! You guys are loaded compared to us, and that is not even taking into consideration how much less the cost of living is, even in Melbourne!
Now to my question (hope you guys are still reading)
Can anyone who is in JQ give me some details in the possibilty of being able to work Part time and if possible, how long it takes to acheive this. Furthermore, if there is anyone trying to study and fly at the same time, get in contact with me, would like to hear about your experiences!!
Good luck guys with your decisions RE new contracts!!
J
We'll go with the point first!
From what I read on here, JQ crew are going to paid somewhere around 50k all in if I have read correctly yeah?? just as a slight comparison to why you shouldnt all be that worried, $50k equates to around GBP23k. I get paid less than that now in my current company and I am a Purser having to live in London! I am seriously considering coming back to Oz if that is what I can earn for less work!!! If anyone is interested, PM me and I will show my contract and maybe it will help you all see that its not that bad what is being offered to you. At the end of the day it is a LCC and they are known for paying lower than others!! Get in contact if you want some comparisons to airlines here in Europe! You guys are loaded compared to us, and that is not even taking into consideration how much less the cost of living is, even in Melbourne!
Now to my question (hope you guys are still reading)
Can anyone who is in JQ give me some details in the possibilty of being able to work Part time and if possible, how long it takes to acheive this. Furthermore, if there is anyone trying to study and fly at the same time, get in contact with me, would like to hear about your experiences!!
Good luck guys with your decisions RE new contracts!!
J
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Hi
Sadly i dont think there will be an opportunity for Team Jetstar Recruits to go Part Time at the moment, perhaps in the future they may change their mind.
If you were Long Haul, you would have more time at home - however domestically you are pretty much full on all month.
Sorry
ShesGreatinTheGalley
Sadly i dont think there will be an opportunity for Team Jetstar Recruits to go Part Time at the moment, perhaps in the future they may change their mind.
If you were Long Haul, you would have more time at home - however domestically you are pretty much full on all month.
Sorry
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G'day Shesgreatinthegalley,
Do you have any idea when is the next GS intake in LH Melbourne base in 2008? I was recruited December 07 and still waiting. Any info is much appreciated. Thanks
Do you have any idea when is the next GS intake in LH Melbourne base in 2008? I was recruited December 07 and still waiting. Any info is much appreciated. Thanks
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i wouldn't be surprised if you got a call to start ground school soon. It's so random with jq. They really need crew, especially at long haul. There is currently a Team Jq domestic ground school happening in syd and it has probably got another 4 weeks to go. They can only start ground schools with the trainers available.
i would say ground school for you could be within the next 6 - 8 weeks. They should let you know soon. Take a few weeks off before ground school for a break cause believe me it is full on stress.
i would say ground school for you could be within the next 6 - 8 weeks. They should let you know soon. Take a few weeks off before ground school for a break cause believe me it is full on stress.