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EatMyShorts! 1st September 2024 09:44


Originally Posted by alphafox14 (Post 11726890)
Do you think it’s possible to not to live at your ‘gateway city’ ?
I mean, imagine if you take a plane from your city to the gateway city you’ve chosen. Or do you actually start your duty days always in the early morning? Thanks!

EDIT: redsnail was faster! G'day! :D

You are supposed to reach the airport terminal within 60 minutes of travel time. Practically, it is not all that important if you are able to catch the requested airline - the travel distance/time is fully on you. It may become relevant, when you live several hours from your gateway airport and are put on standby duty at home. From activation, the company expects you to leave your house in 45 minutes or less, then travel max 60 minutes to the airport for a 60 minute airline show time. I always take a long distance, highspeed train to the airport and every now and then I need to travel to the airport the night before and sleep there at our contracted hotel (at own cost) to avoid getting up at 2am, because of bad train connections. We have colleagues who live 3 or 4 hours away from their gateways and they almost always have to travel the night before and stay at hotels or relatives'/friends' places - but this is their own choice. The company may ask you to report an address within 60 minutes travelling time to the airport. Maybe you have a relative or a friend who lives in such a place and you can use their address, for this purpose.

As you can see, there is an element of flexibility, but crew have to be able to reach their airlines on day 1. On the other hand, should your airline arrive very late on the last day of tour and you feel exhausted, the company will provide you with a hotel at your gateway. Just ask for it and give some reasons.

EDIT 2: redsnail mentioned LEPA: Palma is one of our seasonal summer gateways: in summer you can request to temporarily change your gateway to LEPA, no problem at all. Otherwise it would work as redsnail mentioned. You can even ask for day 1 if starting tour at another airport is possible - as long as the cost is equal or less, no issues - normally.

alphafox14 1st September 2024 14:34


Originally Posted by redsnail (Post 11726969)
Hi alphafox14,
You can... but there's risk. Unfortunately, most of the time Day 1 has a standby element beginning quite early. (04:00z). This gives Scheduling "flexibility". You can risk it but I wouldn't do that too often or what many do, position themselves at own cost to their gateway the night before. What is possible is that on Day 6, you can go directly to your home airport so long as it's cost effective to NJE.
Eg. You live near LEPA. But the gateway is LEBL. It is risky to catch an early flight on Day 1. So you can position yourself to LEBL in anticipation. Day 5 the tentative is available. You see a reasonably priced ticket to LEPA instead of LEBL, you ask if you can do that instead. If there's no conflict etc, then you can expect that. But! The one constant with NetJets is change.

Thanks! Basically you resumed everything what I was thinking about, I know it’s risky. Also I didn’t know you could ‘ask for a different airport’ for the last day of repositioning, so that’s also a plus. Thank you.

alphafox14 1st September 2024 14:42


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11726989)
EDIT: redsnail was faster! G'day! :D

You are supposed to reach the airport terminal within 60 minutes of travel time. Practically, it is not all that important if you are able to catch the requested airline - the travel distance/time is fully on you. It may become relevant, when you live several hours from your gateway airport and are put on standby duty at home. From activation, the company expects you to leave your house in 45 minutes or less, then travel max 60 minutes to the airport for a 60 minute airline show time. I always take a long distance, highspeed train to the airport and every now and then I need to travel to the airport the night before and sleep there at our contracted hotel (at own cost) to avoid getting up at 2am, because of bad train connections. We have colleagues who live 3 or 4 hours away from their gateways and they almost always have to travel the night before and stay at hotels or relatives'/friends' places - but this is their own choice. The company may ask you to report an address within 60 minutes travelling time to the airport. Maybe you have a relative or a friend who lives in such a place and you can use their address, for this purpose.

As you can see, there is an element of flexibility, but crew have to be able to reach their airlines on day 1. On the other hand, should your airline arrive very late on the last day of tour and you feel exhausted, the company will provide you with a hotel at your gateway. Just ask for it and give some reasons.

EDIT 2: redsnail mentioned LEPA: Palma is one of our seasonal summer gateways: in summer you can request to temporarily change your gateway to LEPA, no problem at all. Otherwise it would work as redsnail mentioned. You can even ask for day 1 if starting tour at another airport is possible - as long as the cost is equal or less, no issues - normally.

Hi EMS!
Yes, my situation would be something like that: 50 min flight from my city, prices are not that high but I know there would be a extra cost for hotel overnights and also the flight ticket. I know it’s risky and also more expensive but at least it’s possible. I didn’t know either as the other colleague said that you can ask for a different airport for the first and last day or repositioning (as long as the prices or duty time are the same)
I am also impressed that you can ask for a hotel at your gateway city (in some specific occasions as you said)

Thanks to both of you redsnail EatMyShorts! All my questions were answered and some extra information was given too! Very useful :)

Jurow 1st September 2024 14:44

Hi everyone,

I'll do the HR interview (stage 2) on Tuesday.

It's unrelated, but I wondered if NJE considers body height as a factor when assigning an aircraft to a successful candidate.

Coming from A320 so was never a question until now :)

Cheers

OnRoute 1st September 2024 14:53

Is it common for people to use the temporary gateway option as their de facto gateway and how happy the company is for that?

EatMyShorts! 1st September 2024 15:36


Originally Posted by Jurow (Post 11727132)
It's unrelated, but I wondered if NJE considers body height as a factor when assigning an aircraft to a successful candidate.

If they need crew on the Phenom, they will try to put everyone on that type. If you are tall, they might get you measured by a company appointed MD and you may end up on an XLS.

IndiaNovember 1st September 2024 16:50

someone told me that for 9 months nje uses temporary gateway which are spread out in europe and then for the 3 months of the "hard" winter season the gateways become in a lower number. anybody knows if this temporary gateway includes some airports in italy like MXP or OLB? because is not mentioned in the kura website.
thanks in advance

EatMyShorts! 1st September 2024 17:18


Originally Posted by IndiaNovember (Post 11727177)
someone told me that for 9 months nje uses temporary gateway which are spread out in europe and then for the 3 months of the "hard" winter season the gateways become in a lower number. anybody knows if this temporary gateway includes some airports in italy like MXP or OLB? because is not mentioned in the kura website.
thanks in advance

No, this is not accurate.

We have a given set of official gateway airports. Crew members must choose one of them as a permanent gateway. During the summer season, e.g. from June until September (occasionally they get extended through October), a small number of summer gateways can be used during this timeframe only. This year our summer gateways are Palma (LEPA), Athens (LGAV) and Faro (LPFR). They can be used if you want to place your family at or near these summer gateways during your kids' summer vacation and you start and end your tours there to spend as much time with them as possible, while not having to take vacation days.

The official list of permanent gateway airports can be found in the FAQ document at KURA: https://kuraairlineresourcing.co.uk/...024/07/FAQ.pdf

Thioda 1st September 2024 19:33


Originally Posted by OnRoute (Post 11727137)
Is it common for people to use the temporary gateway option as their de facto gateway and how happy the company is for that?

Yes, and no problem from the companies side.

IndiaNovember 2nd September 2024 16:35


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11727193)
No, this is not accurate.

We have a given set of official gateway airports. Crew members must choose one of them as a permanent gateway. During the summer season, e.g. from June until September (occasionally they get extended through October), a small number of summer gateways can be used during this timeframe only. This year our summer gateways are Palma (LEPA), Athens (LGAV) and Faro (LPFR). They can be used if you want to place your family at or near these summer gateways during your kids' summer vacation and you start and end your tours there to spend as much time with them as possible, while not having to take vacation days.

The official list of permanent gateway airports can be found in the FAQ document at KURA: https://kuraairlineresourcing.co.uk/...024/07/FAQ.pdf

thanks a lot! that's clear

IndiaNovember 2nd September 2024 16:35

anybody did the interview with kura for the stage 3? any tips?

733driver 2nd September 2024 20:38


Originally Posted by Thioda (Post 11727249)
Yes, and no problem from the companies side.

I'm surprised that a couple of respected contributors liked this comment. I think the response given is wrong and could lead to real problems down the road. If you intend to use a temporary gateway as your de facto permanent gateway then please get it in writing from the company that they are ok with it. I think you won't get that statement. They know that social security needs to be paid in the country where a crew member regularly starts and finishes their duty. If the temporary and permanent gateways are in the same country then this should not be a problem, If they are not then this could become very problematic at some point. The term gateway is not legally defined but the term homebase is:

“home base” means the location, assigned by the operator to the crew member, from where the crew member normally starts and ends a duty period or a series of duty periods and where, under normal circumstances, the operator is not responsible for the accommodation of the crew member concerned;

https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-cont...X%3A32014R0083

https://www.eurocockpit.eu/news/new-...w-does-it-work


EatMyShorts! 2nd September 2024 22:11


Originally Posted by 733driver (Post 11727862)
I'm surprised that a couple of respected contributors liked this comment.

Well, it depends on the context. Obviously there are certain rules for how many days you have to use your permanent gateway. We only count the off-days that need to be calculated/assumed to having been at your permanent gateway, so it is not a big problem to spend a few tours at another gateway per year, keeping it all legal. If it's within the same country, it is even easier as it won't have an impact. Our colleagues who live in Ibiza and Mallorca come to my mind, who need to use Barcelona as their permanent gateway. So far, Catalunya is part of Spain, so no problems.

NestorBertomeu 3rd September 2024 09:44


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11726221)
Yes, everyone will receive feedback, whether positive or negative.

i haven't

733driver 3rd September 2024 20:48


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 11727901)
Well, it depends on the context. Obviously there are certain rules for how many days you have to use your permanent gateway. We only count the off-days that need to be calculated/assumed to having been at your permanent gateway, so it is not a big problem to spend a few tours at another gateway per year, keeping it all legal. If it's within the same country, it is even easier as it won't have an impact. Our colleagues who live in Ibiza and Mallorca come to my mind, who need to use Barcelona as their permanent gateway. So far, Catalunya is part of Spain, so no problems.

No debate about same country. That's not the issue. But if one starts and ends more tours at their "temporary" gateway in another county than at their permanent one then problems must be expected down the road. The home base is where a crew member normally (i.e. most times) starts and ends their duty and where the operator is not responsible for accommodation. If that's not in the country of your permanent gateway then social security might become an issue at some point.

EatMyShorts! 4th September 2024 09:34


Originally Posted by 733driver (Post 11728440)
No debate about same country. That's not the issue. But if one starts and ends more tours at their "temporary" gateway in another county than at their permanent one then problems must be expected down the road. The home base is where a crew member normally (i.e. most times) starts and ends their duty and where the operator is not responsible for accommodation. If that's not in the country of your permanent gateway then social security might become an issue at some point.

Correctly, it might become an issue, but so far - from what I gathered after talking to colleagues - it seems to be limited to Scandinavia. And you are right that the use of temporary gateways in countries different from one's permanent gateway needs to be limited. The office has all the details, they don't belong here, I guess.

Boabity 4th September 2024 11:41


Originally Posted by NestorBertomeu (Post 11728108)
i haven't

If you make it to the assessment and don’t make it then just ask Kura, you will absolutely get it. With the online interview you may not but you can still ask Kura. It won’t be offered unless you ask for it.

if you don’t get as far as an interview I doubt you’ll get feedback but chances are it was an issue with experience or preparation.

757_Driver 5th September 2024 10:15

Hi all

do netjets have any part time contracts? I’m currently 75 ish percent with my airline and thinking of a move but part time opportunities are something that I’d be looking at

dan1165 5th September 2024 10:24

U already have a job , don't take someone else 's job !

EatMyShorts! 5th September 2024 10:57

Full time jobs only. You may be able to reduce to 80% or less after some time in the company. But you can never ever work as a commercial pilot somewhere else while employed by Netjets Europe.


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