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fastjet45 29th Oct 2019 17:22


Originally Posted by Skyshare (Post 10605652)
It seams the new salary on the Legacy will be 103.040 euro gross with 15-15 roster (78400 on the bloody Nextant)...... per diem 35 pounds and on Company Credit card for all meals. Payrise 5000 euro gross every year. 10% annual bonus on annual gross salary.

If true those figures are very low compared to the majority of business jet operators out there.

Setting 29th Oct 2019 21:04


Originally Posted by fastjet45 (Post 10605964)
If true those figures are very low compared to the majority of business jet operators out there.

Compared to which operators? Flexjet has to be compared to other similar outfits that carry the cost of a large organisation in the background like NetJets and VistaJet. Netjets captain's salary is around 100 000 EUR I guess and for VistaJet it ranges from 84000 - 96000 EUR depending on fleet type. It's not fair to compare salaries with owner jobs where the owner often pays the crew directly. That said I do agree that the salaries seems to be on the lower range but what else to expect in Europe? Compared to similar outfits this seems to be the highest payer. The GA sector is much behind most large airlines. So I guess FlexJet has to rely on the flying school VistaJet which gladly will feed them with crews.

Is 15/15 including the proceeding days? Otherwise it just turns into another 17/13 roster... 35 pounds of per diems sounds like they taken straight from Vistajet. How about training on your 15/15 or on your off days? Holidays?

Skyshare 29th Oct 2019 22:20

15-15 (proceeding on day 1 and 15)... 35 pounds per diem but all meals on Company Credit Card (so you don’t spend your per diem)... 28 days vacation days on top on your days OFF. Training during your 15 days ON.

bully85 30th Oct 2019 17:05

Indeed the salary seems average compared with the right outfits (not taking into account that one will work 1day extra compared with NJ)

What about taxation, are you taxed in the UK or can someone use an offshore account? 😃

fastjet45 30th Oct 2019 17:21


Originally Posted by bully85 (Post 10606745)
Indeed the salary seems average compared with the right outfits (not taking into account that one will work 1day extra compared with NJ)

What about taxation, are you taxed in the UK or can someone use an offshore account? ��

I was advised by a colleage who went for interview that contracts will be done through Contractair Ltd with no possibility of any form of offshore

Intrance 30th Oct 2019 18:18


Originally Posted by Daddy Fantastic (Post 10606455)
Beats the hell out of Vistajet and there are newer bigger aircraft coming which Nextant pilots get first crack at with an increase in salary due to it being a bigger jet with the same 5000 euro increase as well every year on your salary.

Do you get that in writing or just a carrot on a stick though? :) I'm sure the 400XTi can be a fun plane to fly but if after those two years you don't get the promised position/chance to upgrade to something a bit more "pilot comfortable" you end up with a fairly useless rating to go find a better job with.

Klimax 30th Oct 2019 18:57

Well, considering the aircraft types emb legacy and nextant, and the rotational roster, I´m actually not sure that the conditions disclosed above are substandard in Europe - but I stand corrected. However, I do not believe that the company will be able to retain the best of their crew going into the future, as those will likely be looking for better opportunities (CoS, pay, etc.) soon enough, as the opportunities arises. The industry, including biz jet aviation, is facing a supply issue (of qualified and skilled candidates) and the race to the bottom has come to an end. Employers are now facing the reality of the market, and that they have to put forward better employement conditions to retain and attract.

wolkl 1st Nov 2019 13:10

Time frame
 
Hi guys.
A question for those who did the assessment.
What's the normal time frame after the first phone interview, to be contact for the next steps of the assessment?
Thanks in advance.
Regards.

Above The Clouds 1st Nov 2019 15:59


Originally Posted by wolkl (Post 10608307)
Hi guys.
A question for those who did the assessment.
What's the normal time frame after the first phone interview, to be contact for the next steps of the assessment?
Thanks in advance.
Regards.

I was given a selection of dates for the face to face interview at the end of the phone interview, then a couple days later confirmed by email.

Prospin 1st Nov 2019 17:50


Originally Posted by Above The Clouds (Post 10608407)
I was given a selection of dates for the face to face interview at the end of the phone interview, then a couple days later confirmed by email.

Exactly the same!

bulldog89 2nd Nov 2019 05:26

I'm totally extraneous to the biz jet world, so don't kill me: I've read about a 15/15 roster.
What are the ON days like? Do you get 15 standby and fly as requested on a daily basis or you already know where you'll be flying to and for how long?

Hodin 2nd Nov 2019 10:32


Originally Posted by bulldog89 (Post 10608786)
Do you get 15 standby and fly as requested on a daily basis or you already know where you'll be flying to and for how long?

Looking at charter operation - it can be both, depends on your operation/sales department and how they share the info with the cockpit crews.
Sometimes they sell flights a month in advance but it will be assigned to an a/c only few days before - thats when you will know about it.
There is also always the chance for last minute charters/AOG support flights.
Coud be different with owner only operation (ie. no charter)
My current experience is to know about 2-3 days beforehand where I will be, if there is no ad-hoc flights coming in.

bulldog89 3rd Nov 2019 03:45


Originally Posted by Hodin (Post 10608934)
looking at charter operation - it can be both, depends on your operation/sales department and how they share the info with the cockpit crews.
sometimes they sell flights a month in advance but it will be assigned to an a/c only few days before - thats when you will know about it.
there is also always the chance for last minute charters/AOG support flights.
coud be different with owner only operation (ie. no charter)
My current experience is to know about 2-3 days beforehand where I will be if there is no ad-hoc flights coming in.

:ok: Thanks

HermanTheGerman 7th Nov 2019 06:59

I wonder if anybody was hired?
 
I know 5 people attending the selection process at Burgess Hill at different dates, all liked the friendly & fair atmosphere. But nobody was hired.
I wonder if they really hire people?

bouphi 7th Nov 2019 07:58


Originally Posted by HermanTheGerman (Post 10612907)
I know 5 people attending the selection process at Burgess Hill at different dates, all liked the friendly & fair atmosphere. But nobody was hired.
I wonder if they really hire people?

I heard from a friend who did the interview, they are looking for pilots having already experience in corporate/VIP flights.
I don't know for your friends Herman ?

HermanTheGerman 7th Nov 2019 09:56

all very bizjet experienced, thousands of hours, 2 even Legacy rated.

EatMyShorts! 7th Nov 2019 10:16

All from Netjets Germany, errrr, Air Hamburg :}

HermanTheGerman 7th Nov 2019 10:29


Originally Posted by EatMyShorts! (Post 10613028)
All from Netjets Germany, errrr, Air Hamburg :}

not really

EatMyShorts! 7th Nov 2019 13:43

Ah, there are not so many Legacy operators in Germany, then it was a wrong guess.

HermanTheGerman 7th Nov 2019 14:33

who says these 2 guys were from Germany? I didn't....


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