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-   Biz Jets, Ag Flying, GA etc. (https://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc-36/)
-   -   Flexjet Europe starts up (https://www.pprune.org/biz-jets-ag-flying-ga-etc/579649-flexjet-europe-starts-up.html)

Above The Clouds 7th Nov 2019 16:48
My understanding is the first Legacy's operated by SIRO are crewed with all ex Italian Airforce pilots.

EatMyShorts! 7th Nov 2019 20:44
Originally Posted by HermanTheGerman (Post 10613214)
who says these 2 guys were from Germany? I didn't....
No, you did not, but I deducted it wrongly from your user-name here.

Son of a Beech 15th Nov 2019 18:24
New payscales on PPJN

captain €108000-€132000
copilot €52000

of course question is who posted these rates

PPJN Flexjet payscale

bully85 17th Nov 2019 06:10
Which one are you getting year 1?

44.8 or 40?

(nextant 172days)

bully85 17th Nov 2019 14:17
Yes indeed. Didn’t see it sorry (a little blurry pic)

Any of you guys know (more or less) what percentage of income tax will be deducted from the salary shown.

And what about those 172etc days.
I thought it was a 7/5 rotation which will result in 212 working days. Anyone some info?

Klimax 18th Nov 2019 09:21
Originally Posted by Joe le Taxi (Post 10620915)
Nice to see sensible compensation for working days off ... but with apparently positioning in economy and having to live within 90 minutes of the gateway,, I'll hold fire for the time being - not that I'd pass anyway, because no-one else seems to.
Positioning in Economy no matter the duration of the positioning flight?. Ah well, might as well forget about them.

EatMyShorts! 18th Nov 2019 11:04
Tax all depends on your country of residence and the country of registration of the birds. For us in the "other big fractional operator" it means that some colleagues have to pay national tax (difference) in their countries of residence on top of the tax that is being witheld in the country where the company is operating from. There's still a handful of countries where you pay no additional tax. So think well where you want to live or those nice gross salaries will be halved by tax and social security.

Klimax 18th Nov 2019 14:32
Originally Posted by chinny (Post 10621061)
like to know where these came from? looks pretty much like official company stuff.
It sure does look like official company stuff. Great to be able to actually see what's on offer - even better that it is shared to avoid speculations. In this case it will (likely) greatly enhance the company in attracting talent from other operators in the region. No need to be so secretive about stuff! Cheers.

Oh gaim 18th Nov 2019 14:33
Although entry salary for FOs is dire

chinny 18th Nov 2019 15:45
there is also such a thing as confidentiality?!!! not totally sure would want someone like that in the company i work for!

Oh gaim 18th Nov 2019 15:49
I’ve never understood companies who guard their salary scales like state secrets. It’s a red flag for me as it’s more likely than not that the money is poor and it just wastes everyone’s time.

chinny 18th Nov 2019 16:10
maybe i agree but to publicly display (more than likely without approval) shows a lack of integrity and confidentiality and not sure is the right person to be in a VIP operation-just saying that's all

Klimax 18th Nov 2019 16:50
Originally Posted by chinny (Post 10621180)
there is also such a thing as confidentiality?!!! not totally sure would want someone like that in the company i work for!
Forget that! Everybody needs to share details so that we all understand our worth and knows when it's time to look elsewhere - only a management troll with a bonus incentive don't agree with this. What's to hide about the salary being offered by a company - please feel free to share as to why this should not be a known.

Klimax 18th Nov 2019 16:55
Originally Posted by chinny (Post 10621195)
maybe i agree but to publicly display (more than likely without approval) shows a lack of integrity and confidentiality and not sure is the right person to be in a VIP operation-just saying that's all
Yes, let's instead employ incompetent, under-qualified cheap employees - that don't share mundane details. Too much focus on the wrong things. A transparent company that pays its employees a fair salary and discloses this to the client has nothing to fear. On the other hand, employers that are deceiving employees and clients have everything to fear about public disclosures such as this. Common knowledge.

Klimax 18th Nov 2019 17:15
Originally Posted by Oh gaim (Post 10621182)
I’ve never understood companies who guard their salary scales like state secrets. It’s a red flag for me as it’s more likely than not that the money is poor and it just wastes everyone’s time.
I'm with you on that one. Obviously in private jet companies this gets even worse. Everybody's on different pay and even different per diem terms - even within individual crews. The companies tells the employees to not share their terms with the other crew. How amazingly stupid can they possibly be. Of course we share the details - preferably all of them!

AeroplaneCPT 18th Nov 2019 17:27
Should not be too hard to figure out who GiniPino is. He posted all his type qualifications. It does show a true lack of integrity (or trust) to share without authorisation. I work for the company and I'm very happy with the direction things are going. It should not matter what you think if you don't work for the company.

Klimax 19th Nov 2019 06:42
Originally Posted by AeroplaneCPT (Post 10621235)
Should not be too hard to figure out who GiniPino is. He posted all his type qualifications. It does show a true lack of integrity (or trust) to share without authorisation. I work for the company and I'm very happy with the direction things are going. It should not matter what you think if you don't work for the company.
Another typical management troll remark with a twist of nativity believing that a PPRuNe profile contains factual data. Trying to police the internet and the information shared between pilots is just showing lack of understanding of how things work or should work. It's really nice and good to know what various employers are offering and the more factual this information is the better. Kudos to the Gentleman for sharing - it's a great thing - and in this case it is actually beneficial for the company, since it seems competitive (for the time being and on certain aircraft types). Cheers.

chinny 19th Nov 2019 08:55
Originally Posted by Klimax (Post 10621605)
Another typical management troll remark with a twist of nativity believing that a PPRuNe profile contains factual data. Trying to police the internet and the information shared between pilots is just showing lack of understanding of how things work or should work. It's really nice and good to know what various employers are offering and the more factual this information is the better. Kudos to the Gentleman for sharing - it's a great thing - and in this case it is actually beneficial for the company, since it seems competitive (for the time being and on certain aircraft types). Cheers.

some of what you say is correct and i agree that the more info we get the better the decision made and the better the competition-but going on the threads before and the lack of info to suddenly get all bar kitchen sink-seems bit weird!
BTW-not on his profile but on previous threads he has written and posted.

Klimax 19th Nov 2019 09:16
Originally Posted by chinny (Post 10621706)
some of what you say is correct and i agree that the more info we get the better the decision made and the better the competition-but going on the threads before and the lack of info to suddenly get all bar kitchen sink-seems bit weird!
BTW-not on his profile but on previous threads he has written and posted.
Weird and weird I’m not so sure I see the weirdness in it. Anyways, let’s agree - useful info. As mentioned, in this particular case, it’s favourable for Flexjet to have this info out there. Looking at Netjets Europe vs Flexjet Europe, on the large cabin segment of the published payscale, it would be attractive, or at least tempting, for PICs to switch. Flexjet Europe looks set to attract some of the best qualified pilots with the published terms. So far the management seems to be on the ball. The eco positioning has been mentioned and other terms might be unattractive - hopefully the Gentleman who published the payscale will publish some more “good” stuff - such that we won’t have to speculate. I’m going to freshen up my CV and have it ready for submission - simply because of the info shared on this thread.

bully85 19th Nov 2019 12:55
No one any idea about the 172/187/202 days?
I really don’t get that part sorry -_-


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