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Old 29th May 2016, 18:58
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Flexjet Europe starts up

I guess it's official now, althoug I'm not sure how they will compete with Netjet's 100+ European aircraft with 8 Nextant 400Xti

https://www.ainonline.com/aviation-n...n-ops

Question is: Which European airline will they buy?
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Old 30th May 2016, 07:23
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Did they not try before already ?
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Old 30th May 2016, 07:28
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Flexjet before was owned by bombardier. They tried for a short time I Europe as well. The company was then sold to a private investor who also in the USA bought flight options and now they want to try Europe again and with their own words compete with netjets.
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Old 30th May 2016, 10:50
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The worst aircraft Netjets ever flew was the Hawker 400XP and the new competitor is flying a updated second-hand version of that aircraft? They have to be veeerrrryyy cheap to compete with a new Phenom300.
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Old 31st May 2016, 09:48
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Downsizing in the US and trying for a second time in Europe. Doesn´t sound very promising. Anyhow, very curious which company will be Flexjet´s partner. I can only think of a handful flying Beechjets/Nextants based mainly in Eastern Europe.
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Old 31st May 2016, 13:00
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Why does the operator being bought need to operate an existing Nextant fleet to make it viable? You're looking too far East wondering.
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Old 31st May 2016, 18:32
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If FlexJet operate VistaJet's American flights, perhaps VistaJet will operate FlexJet's European flights?
Also, I hear that the aircraft will have refurbished interiors. Probably a bit cheaper to operate than a Phenom 300 too.
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Old 31st May 2016, 19:40
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Right. I somehow read too much between the lines. The article just mentiones any AOC.
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Old 14th Jun 2016, 08:15
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Originally Posted by Booglebox View Post
If FlexJet operate VistaJet's American flights, perhaps VistaJet will operate FlexJet's European flights?
Vistajet's American partner is Jet Aviation and unrelated to Flexjet/FlightOptions/Onesky.
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Old 3rd Aug 2016, 18:31
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Question is: Which European airline will they buy?
Flairjet

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Old 5th Aug 2016, 14:50
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Interesting, are there that many Hawker 400 pilots in Europe?
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 19:33
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There where some ex NJE pilots that got fired (France and Belgium) but doubtful if they are still jobless. Then again a hawker/beech 400 rating takes 2 weeks at FSI Farnborough
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Interesting, are there that many Hawker 400 pilots in Europe?
There's about 6 of us in the uk.

There where some ex NJE pilots that got fired (France and Belgium) but doubtful if they are still jobless. Then again a hawker/beech 400 rating takes 2 weeks at FSI Farnborough
Rating takes 3 weeks, did it about 18 months ago
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Old 12th Aug 2016, 18:29
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Rating takes 3 weeks, did it about 18 months ago
2 weeks, 3 weeks. Potato, potato. The point is it doesn't take months or years to train a Beech 400 pilot.
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Old 14th Aug 2016, 23:43
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Ah the Hawker 400. Is that the one that is known as the rice rocket, in some parts??
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Old 15th Aug 2016, 12:03
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It's basically a jazzed-up Mitsubishi Diamond so a 38 year old platform with new engines and new avionics - nothing really wrong with that, worked for the Hawker 125 for 50 years.

However, pitched against say a Phenom 300, its decades apart in design terms.
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and a BFL of a 747...NOt talking about the LDR...Space shuttle was the only competitor..
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 14:53
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Potato Patato... Very few type ratings take longer than 3-4 weeks.... So what was your point?
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Old 17th Aug 2016, 23:15
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Originally Posted by dreamlinerguy View Post
Potato Patato... Very few type ratings take longer than 3-4 weeks.... So what was your point?
That it isn't the worlds greatest crisis that there aren't that many rated and unemployed beech/Nextant 400 pilots in Europe.
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Old 18th Aug 2016, 17:06
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Very true, i'd assume they'll send crew to Dallas to do the Nextant 400 initial, or differences course anyways. Be interesting hearing more about this as it develops
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