Quick Falcon 7X Startup: Feasible in Two Hours?
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Quick Falcon 7X Startup: Feasible in Two Hours?
Long-time listener, first-time caller. (Remember the excellent Concorde thread a few years ago.. what a wealth of information that was!)
Like many in the USA (and around the world) I've been following the public intrigue over how Taylor Swift could get to Super Bowl LVII from her concert in Tokyo.
An NPR article mentioned that her Dassault Falcon 7X could make the trip easily and depart Japan "within two hours of the end of the concert."
Not having any professional experience in the aviation field (but seeing plenty of videos of "cold-and-dark" startups on YouTube), I'd think that it would take a fair amount of time to go through the startup procedures necessary for such a complex aircraft.
(Avionics startup on ground power, flight plan programming, APU/engine startup, INS alignment, DFCS self-test including control surface checks, cabin systems checks including pressurization, etc.)
How long does it typically take to bring a Falcon 7X from "cold-and-dark" to "ready for departure?"
Could that be done within the two-hour period quoted in the article (including catering/provisions and other passenger/crew needs) presumably as Taylor is making her way from the Tokyo Dome to the airport?
Like many in the USA (and around the world) I've been following the public intrigue over how Taylor Swift could get to Super Bowl LVII from her concert in Tokyo.
An NPR article mentioned that her Dassault Falcon 7X could make the trip easily and depart Japan "within two hours of the end of the concert."
Not having any professional experience in the aviation field (but seeing plenty of videos of "cold-and-dark" startups on YouTube), I'd think that it would take a fair amount of time to go through the startup procedures necessary for such a complex aircraft.
(Avionics startup on ground power, flight plan programming, APU/engine startup, INS alignment, DFCS self-test including control surface checks, cabin systems checks including pressurization, etc.)
How long does it typically take to bring a Falcon 7X from "cold-and-dark" to "ready for departure?"
Could that be done within the two-hour period quoted in the article (including catering/provisions and other passenger/crew needs) presumably as Taylor is making her way from the Tokyo Dome to the airport?
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Long-time listener, first-time caller. (Remember the excellent Concorde thread a few years ago.. what a wealth of information that was!)
Like many in the USA (and around the world) I've been following the public intrigue over how Taylor Swift could get to Super Bowl LVII from her concert in Tokyo.
An NPR article mentioned that her Dassault Falcon 7X could make the trip easily and depart Japan "within two hours of the end of the concert."
Not having any professional experience in the aviation field (but seeing plenty of videos of "cold-and-dark" startups on YouTube), I'd think that it would take a fair amount of time to go through the startup procedures necessary for such a complex aircraft.
(Avionics startup on ground power, flight plan programming, APU/engine startup, INS alignment, DFCS self-test including control surface checks, cabin systems checks including pressurization, etc.)
How long does it typically take to bring a Falcon 7X from "cold-and-dark" to "ready for departure?"
Could that be done within the two-hour period quoted in the article (including catering/provisions and other passenger/crew needs) presumably as Taylor is making her way from the Tokyo Dome to the airport?
Like many in the USA (and around the world) I've been following the public intrigue over how Taylor Swift could get to Super Bowl LVII from her concert in Tokyo.
An NPR article mentioned that her Dassault Falcon 7X could make the trip easily and depart Japan "within two hours of the end of the concert."
Not having any professional experience in the aviation field (but seeing plenty of videos of "cold-and-dark" startups on YouTube), I'd think that it would take a fair amount of time to go through the startup procedures necessary for such a complex aircraft.
(Avionics startup on ground power, flight plan programming, APU/engine startup, INS alignment, DFCS self-test including control surface checks, cabin systems checks including pressurization, etc.)
How long does it typically take to bring a Falcon 7X from "cold-and-dark" to "ready for departure?"
Could that be done within the two-hour period quoted in the article (including catering/provisions and other passenger/crew needs) presumably as Taylor is making her way from the Tokyo Dome to the airport?
Unless you need to wait for fresh oysters coming for dinner...
Itīs a Frenchy airplane. You simply can not start the 3rd engine - unless those Oysters and more importantly the Champagne is loaded, onboard and secured - en mas! Simple!
I’m missing something here. She isn’t flying the plane. It doesn’t matter how long it takes, the crew get it ready so that as soon as she arrives they are ready to start engines and taxi, probably 5 minutes after her arrival.
realistically the crew probably need 30-60 minutes at the jet.
realistically the crew probably need 30-60 minutes at the jet.
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Even if she would be flying her own plane (and she wouldn't be the only pop/rock star who does, like for example Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden) the second pilot would prepare everything to be ready for the anticipated departure time. All she would have to do then is close the door, get into her seat and release the parking brake.
Even if she would be flying her own plane (and she wouldn't be the only pop/rock star who does, like for example Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden) the second pilot would prepare everything to be ready for the anticipated departure time. All she would have to do then is close the door, get into her seat and release the parking brake.
The plane will probably have a permanent crew of 3 (minimum) and will have the plane fueled,
stocked with food/ drink and ready to go.
There is no way that she would be piloting after the rigors of a concert and then to head out on a trans-pacific back to the US.
If the plane is fueled and supplied and the crew show up to get ready to leave, then 45 minutes would be a reasonable time to fire up the APU, wake up the systems, do the checks, load the flight plan and then wait for the pax.
Last edited by fleigle; 7th Feb 2024 at 14:29. Reason: Additional information
Why on earth would anyone think Taylor Swift could/would be a pilot who could fly a very sophisticated bizjet from Japan to the USA...after putting on a very physically demanding concert performance ?
Come on guys ! It's not worth the electrons to discuss it here.
She chartered a Vista Jet G7500. It takes about an hour to service, pre-flight, catering etc. we show 1+30 prior to departure and not a problem to make departure with time to spare.
Gulfstream in one of their interviews tell the reporter on one Youtube viseo "you can walk up to the aeroplane from cold and dark, and taxi out in 10 mins".....assuming no fuel needs to be uploaded.
They are talking about the latest models, the G 500, 600, and 700, the earlier ones take about 45 mins.
If we don't have to refuel, and we have pre-planned and pre-briefed a swift departure, from batteries on to taxy takes about 30 mins in a Global 7500 - providing it all booted up ok on the first go! 
We usually allocate 60 mins for a "normal" pre-flight, which would allow for a mid-capacity refuel and loading some pax bags.
If we need full fuel, we usually pre-fuel (to almost full) the day before - it takes a long time to load 50,000lbs of fuel.
We usually allocate 60 mins for a "normal" pre-flight, which would allow for a mid-capacity refuel and loading some pax bags.
If we need full fuel, we usually pre-fuel (to almost full) the day before - it takes a long time to load 50,000lbs of fuel.
