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dcarmich 7th Feb 2024 03:18

Quick Falcon 7X Startup: Feasible in Two Hours?
 
Long-time listener, first-time caller. (Remember the excellent Concorde thread a few years ago.. what a wealth of information that was!)
Like many in the USA (and around the world) I've been following the public intrigue over how Taylor Swift could get to Super Bowl LVII from her concert in Tokyo.
An NPR article mentioned that her Dassault Falcon 7X could make the trip easily and depart Japan "within two hours of the end of the concert."

Not having any professional experience in the aviation field (but seeing plenty of videos of "cold-and-dark" startups on YouTube), I'd think that it would take a fair amount of time to go through the startup procedures necessary for such a complex aircraft.
(Avionics startup on ground power, flight plan programming, APU/engine startup, INS alignment, DFCS self-test including control surface checks, cabin systems checks including pressurization, etc.)

How long does it typically take to bring a Falcon 7X from "cold-and-dark" to "ready for departure?"
Could that be done within the two-hour period quoted in the article (including catering/provisions and other passenger/crew needs) presumably as Taylor is making her way from the Tokyo Dome to the airport?

Giuff 7th Feb 2024 07:10


Originally Posted by dcarmich (Post 11591910)
Long-time listener, first-time caller. (Remember the excellent Concorde thread a few years ago.. what a wealth of information that was!)
Like many in the USA (and around the world) I've been following the public intrigue over how Taylor Swift could get to Super Bowl LVII from her concert in Tokyo.
An NPR article mentioned that her Dassault Falcon 7X could make the trip easily and depart Japan "within two hours of the end of the concert."

Not having any professional experience in the aviation field (but seeing plenty of videos of "cold-and-dark" startups on YouTube), I'd think that it would take a fair amount of time to go through the startup procedures necessary for such a complex aircraft.
(Avionics startup on ground power, flight plan programming, APU/engine startup, INS alignment, DFCS self-test including control surface checks, cabin systems checks including pressurization, etc.)

How long does it typically take to bring a Falcon 7X from "cold-and-dark" to "ready for departure?"
Could that be done within the two-hour period quoted in the article (including catering/provisions and other passenger/crew needs) presumably as Taylor is making her way from the Tokyo Dome to the airport?

Not a Falcon driver here, but i am pretty sure you could be ready to go in even 30 minutes.
Unless you need to wait for fresh oysters coming for dinner...

Klimax 7th Feb 2024 07:53


Originally Posted by Giuff (Post 11591977)
Not a Falcon driver here, but i am pretty sure you could be ready to go in even 30 minutes.
Unless you need to wait for fresh oysters coming for dinner...

It´s a Frenchy airplane. You simply can not start the 3rd engine - unless those Oysters and more importantly the Champagne is loaded, onboard and secured - en mas! Simple!

waterbottle 7th Feb 2024 08:21

I’m missing something here. She isn’t flying the plane. It doesn’t matter how long it takes, the crew get it ready so that as soon as she arrives they are ready to start engines and taxi, probably 5 minutes after her arrival.

realistically the crew probably need 30-60 minutes at the jet.

what next 7th Feb 2024 10:07


Originally Posted by waterbottle (Post 11592027)
I’m missing something here. She isn’t flying the plane. It doesn’t matter how long it takes, the crew get it ready so that as soon as she arrives they are ready to start engines and taxi, probably 5 minutes after her arrival.

Even if she would be flying her own plane (and she wouldn't be the only pop/rock star who does, like for example Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden) the second pilot would prepare everything to be ready for the anticipated departure time. All she would have to do then is close the door, get into her seat and release the parking brake.

Brewster Buffalo 7th Feb 2024 11:44

Careful....we may get a legal warrning even discussing this!

BBC News

fleigle 7th Feb 2024 14:24


Originally Posted by what next (Post 11592112)
Even if she would be flying her own plane (and she wouldn't be the only pop/rock star who does, like for example Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden) the second pilot would prepare everything to be ready for the anticipated departure time. All she would have to do then is close the door, get into her seat and release the parking brake.

I doubt that she is a 7X rated pilot, if a pilot at all.
The plane will probably have a permanent crew of 3 (minimum) and will have the plane fueled,
​stocked with food/ drink and ready to go.
There is no way that she would be piloting after the rigors of a concert and then to head out on a trans-pacific back to the US.
If the plane is fueled and supplied and the crew show up to get ready to leave, then 45 minutes would be a reasonable time to fire up the APU, wake up the systems, do the checks, load the flight plan and then wait for the pax.

global2express 7th Feb 2024 21:48

There's no record of a Taylor Alison Swift in the FAA airmen database, so she's most likely not a pilot.

bafanguy 7th Feb 2024 21:59


Originally Posted by global2express (Post 11592515)
There's no record of a Taylor Alison Swift in the FAA airmen database, so she's most likely not a pilot.


Why on earth would anyone think Taylor Swift could/would be a pilot who could fly a very sophisticated bizjet from Japan to the USA...after putting on a very physically demanding concert performance ?

Come on guys ! It's not worth the electrons to discuss it here.

galaxy flyer 8th Feb 2024 02:02

She chartered a Vista Jet G7500. It takes about an hour to service, pre-flight, catering etc. we show 1+30 prior to departure and not a problem to make departure with time to spare.

nomorecatering 8th Feb 2024 07:30

Gulfstream in one of their interviews tell the reporter on one Youtube viseo "you can walk up to the aeroplane from cold and dark, and taxi out in 10 mins".....assuming no fuel needs to be uploaded.

fleigle 8th Feb 2024 14:32


Originally Posted by nomorecatering (Post 11592714)
Gulfstream in one of their interviews tell the reporter on one Youtube viseo "you can walk up to the aeroplane from cold and dark, and taxi out in 10 mins".....assuming no fuel needs to be uploaded.

They are talking about the latest models, the G 500, 600, and 700, the earlier ones take about 45 mins.

josephfeatherweight 9th Feb 2024 02:55

If we don't have to refuel, and we have pre-planned and pre-briefed a swift departure, from batteries on to taxy takes about 30 mins in a Global 7500 - providing it all booted up ok on the first go! :E
We usually allocate 60 mins for a "normal" pre-flight, which would allow for a mid-capacity refuel and loading some pax bags.
If we need full fuel, we usually pre-fuel (to almost full) the day before - it takes a long time to load 50,000lbs of fuel.


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