Vistajet Future
Joined: Mar 2010
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From: Utopia
The pay we're referring to is brutto and that's a low pay for a "large cabin" business jet. Of course, if you're a low time, little experienced pilot, it's an opportunity to get a type rating, see the world and get a good amount of flying in (something most private jet managed operations lack, in the perspective of a low time pilots with aspirations of moving to the left seat) and I suppose it's not a low pay compared to most airline entry First Officer positions. So, again, each to his own. And right now beggars can't be choosers I suppose.
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From: Utopia
Absolutely correct. Spot on! Unfortunately this is common for most Austrian and German companies - I don't know wtf is wrong in these countries.
Joined: May 2016
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From: x
my guess is ‘supply & demand’. More than enough pilots willing to work. If it was the other way around, pilots would have the benefit. Unfortunately, those times are not the present. I do believe in a few years things might change.
Joined: Jan 2006
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From: Germany
The issue in Germany is that almost anyone can go for a CPL/IFR/ATPL, once you are able to count to 3... Competition is really fierce and on top of it you are considered a "rich man" if you make more than 50k EUR per year - before tax.
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From: london
Under which country's legislation are these lawyers chasing the employees who left early ?
Joined: May 2016
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From: x
i mailed HR and they were kind enough to call me last week. They could not give too much information yet as they are being swamped with applications. Assessment is fairly generic; phone call to check your motivation and competencies, technical exam (rumors say it’s about ‘your current type’), interview and sim.
when I got the phone call they said it will take a few weeks once applied. You can check your status of your application on the career page. Every update triggers an email to you.
Joined: Aug 2000
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
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From: Near Stuttgart, Germany
And how would that be different in any other European country? Or even non-European?
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From: nomad
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Close to you
There is seniority and career opportunities. Fleet changes, upgrade to captain with minimum required hours, possibility to become TRI,TRE...not everything is just money. And money in VJ is not that bad. You can live where you want and pick the gateway that suits you best. VJ never stopped growing and now is getting beautiful momentum. FOMO? apply
The momentum, is it just form the Globals and XLS's added?
Or anything else going on behind the scenes?
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From: World
One thing nobody ever understood is the profitability of the company.
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?
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From: x
One thing nobody ever understood is the profitability of the company.
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?
Just to give you an overview...
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From: Utopia
There is seniority and career opportunities. Fleet changes, upgrade to captain with minimum required hours, possibility to become TRI,TRE...not everything is just money. And money in VJ is not that bad. You can live where you want and pick the gateway that suits you best. VJ never stopped growing and now is getting beautiful momentum. FOMO? apply
Joined: Mar 2010
Posts: 852
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From: Utopia
One thing nobody ever understood is the profitability of the company.
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?
A lot of announcements are made on a regular basis, with their formidable PR machine, mentioning growing revenues and increasing flight hours, but never ever a mention of that insignificant detail that are costs and the actual profits made since the company was created.
Many consider the business model unsustainable, with new, shiny and expensive jets on what must be eye-watering leases.
But we are only pilots, right?
Joined: Sep 2019
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From: Australia
Personally I would avoid these guys like the plague. If you are young and need some jet time, sure go ahead especially if you are single with no real responsibilities like a family. Get your time and move on. Other than that avoid unless its all you can get and you do have a family to support etc...then move on when able.