Falcon 7x Incident
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This article reckons
This article reckons
Strong winds have blown a small aircraft out of the airport enclosure, with the aircraft smashing through a perimeter fence and then into a building on the opposite side of the road
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Which brings new momentum to the question I often asked myself: who is to take the blame for this ? On a lot of aprons your airplane gets chocked and they demand the park brake off. Are "they" (handlers and/or airports) taking responsibility IF something like this happens ?
Was parked in UATE (Aktau) and very strong winds turned a Fokker-100 parked next to us by maybe 60-65°° towards our airplane, a collisions would have occurred if the wind would have been a tad stronger....
Was parked in UATE (Aktau) and very strong winds turned a Fokker-100 parked next to us by maybe 60-65°° towards our airplane, a collisions would have occurred if the wind would have been a tad stronger....
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Which brings new momentum to the question I often asked myself: who is to take the blame for this ? On a lot of aprons your airplane gets chocked and they demand the park brake off. Are "they" (handlers and/or airports) taking responsibility IF something like this happens ?
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"Strong winds have blown a small aircraft out of the airport enclosure, with the aircraft smashing through a perimeter fence and then into a building on the opposite side of the road."
(Emphasis mine)
A Falcon 7X is hardly a small aircraft!
(Emphasis mine)
A Falcon 7X is hardly a small aircraft!
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@ His Dudeness,
In terms of responsabilities nothing to the pilots, should they had followed
"ground handlings" FCOM procedures...ex: chocks, mooring, topping fuel reservoirs, park brake set on...and some photos as evidences of caution.
In terms of responsabilities nothing to the pilots, should they had followed
"ground handlings" FCOM procedures...ex: chocks, mooring, topping fuel reservoirs, park brake set on...and some photos as evidences of caution.
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not lucky with Falcons?
Remember, Lord A. suffered a belly landing with 900EX VP-BMS (he described the accident in his book "Dirty politics, Dirty times".
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/falc...-february-2004
https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-118323.html
https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/falc...-february-2004
https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-118323.html
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In CPH a few months ago and gusting 54kts and I refused to take off the park brake when leaving the aircraft. Be the captain!
As for the park brake not working a short time after shutdown, what does your manual say? Mine should be good for 24hours. If it’s not performing to spec, tech it.
As for the park brake not working a short time after shutdown, what does your manual say? Mine should be good for 24hours. If it’s not performing to spec, tech it.
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Only issue is that you might have to drive to the airport to release the brakes if they need to move it.
Without prejudice to the current incident there are a few general knowledge things which I hope could help others.
As was said above, be the Captain but you are also the manager down route. I have had several disagreements with airport authorities about leaving the parking brake on but I have also parked the aircraft at an angle across the stand so that it is pointing into the prevailing wind. I have also refused to park close to other aircraft when there is plenty of apron space available.
Also bear in mind That pilots should be aware of the contents of the ground handling section of the maintenance manual. There will be limitations and advice in there which you will not find in aircrew documents.
If your parking brake is not holding the pressure as specified then encourage your management/maintenance to get it fixed. It is often just a matter of tightening some unions or filling points but is always cheaper than other repairs.
Filling up with fuel is a good idea if you can.
Park into wind if you can.
Use the parking break if you can.
Tie down if you can.
Many business jets have points next to the jacking points where you can screw in a tie down hook. It is good practice to keep these tie down hooks on the aircraft with the other aircraft loose equipment such as the TR pins, fuses, jacking cups etc..
I once was asked buy an owner why I was doing the above when no one else was. The next day when he came to board he was able to note some other aircraft which had moved and were touching each other!!!
Even if we consider that it is not our responsibility or fault it is still us who has to deal with the aftermath and it is us who suffer when the bosses aircraft is not available and possibly loose out if he gets fed up with it.
Do not be afraid to manage the FBO's and be strong. Be polite but be firm when needed.
As was said above, be the Captain but you are also the manager down route. I have had several disagreements with airport authorities about leaving the parking brake on but I have also parked the aircraft at an angle across the stand so that it is pointing into the prevailing wind. I have also refused to park close to other aircraft when there is plenty of apron space available.
Also bear in mind That pilots should be aware of the contents of the ground handling section of the maintenance manual. There will be limitations and advice in there which you will not find in aircrew documents.
If your parking brake is not holding the pressure as specified then encourage your management/maintenance to get it fixed. It is often just a matter of tightening some unions or filling points but is always cheaper than other repairs.
Filling up with fuel is a good idea if you can.
Park into wind if you can.
Use the parking break if you can.
Tie down if you can.
Many business jets have points next to the jacking points where you can screw in a tie down hook. It is good practice to keep these tie down hooks on the aircraft with the other aircraft loose equipment such as the TR pins, fuses, jacking cups etc..
I once was asked buy an owner why I was doing the above when no one else was. The next day when he came to board he was able to note some other aircraft which had moved and were touching each other!!!
Even if we consider that it is not our responsibility or fault it is still us who has to deal with the aftermath and it is us who suffer when the bosses aircraft is not available and possibly loose out if he gets fed up with it.
Do not be afraid to manage the FBO's and be strong. Be polite but be firm when needed.
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Unless the manufacturer is willing to modify all aircraft tightening a few unions will not achieve much.
I will keep using chock, even for short parking.
You really tie down your aircraft everytime you overnight?
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Switch off headlights after parking!
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Plane got moved by wind.