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neil armstrong 28th Dec 2017 15:02

Falcon 7x Incident
 
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=203481

SWBKCB 28th Dec 2017 15:28

vhttp://www.independent.com.mt/artic...QS_M84.twitter

This article reckons


Strong winds have blown a small aircraft out of the airport enclosure, with the aircraft smashing through a perimeter fence and then into a building on the opposite side of the road
:eek:

His dudeness 28th Dec 2017 15:47

Which brings new momentum to the question I often asked myself: who is to take the blame for this ? On a lot of aprons your airplane gets chocked and they demand the park brake off. Are "they" (handlers and/or airports) taking responsibility IF something like this happens ?

Was parked in UATE (Aktau) and very strong winds turned a Fokker-100 parked next to us by maybe 60-65°° towards our airplane, a collisions would have occurred if the wind would have been a tad stronger....

arketip 28th Dec 2017 15:54

From the above link:

(who is domiciled in Belize for tax reasons)

What's this to do with reporting an incident?

arketip 28th Dec 2017 15:57


Originally Posted by His dudeness (Post 10003772)
Which brings new momentum to the question I often asked myself: who is to take the blame for this ? On a lot of aprons your airplane gets chocked and they demand the park brake off. Are "they" (handlers and/or airports) taking responsibility IF something like this happens ?

I do not know about your aircraft, but on mine, after about half an hour from shut down, the parking brake does not hold anymore.

His dudeness 28th Dec 2017 21:48

its holds definitely longer, but thats irrelevant if you`re asked to keep it off anyways....

jack11111 28th Dec 2017 21:58

"Strong winds have blown a small aircraft out of the airport enclosure, with the aircraft smashing through a perimeter fence and then into a building on the opposite side of the road."

(Emphasis mine)

A Falcon 7X is hardly a small aircraft!

Sandstone Cowboy 28th Dec 2017 22:58


Originally Posted by arketip (Post 10003780)
From the above link:

(who is domiciled in Belize for tax reasons)

What's this to do with reporting an incident?

Absolutely nothing...

In much the same way Ashcroft was economical with the truth when he was asked if he owned the aircraft...

robbreid 28th Dec 2017 23:11

Da7X video
 
video clip

robbreid 28th Dec 2017 23:15

No idea how to post link - but here is a short clip of the incident - as well as more photos including the nose inside the building ...

Fletner007 29th Dec 2017 06:28

@ His Dudeness,


In terms of responsabilities nothing to the pilots, should they had followed
"ground handlings" FCOM procedures...ex: chocks, mooring, topping fuel reservoirs, park brake set on...and some photos as evidences of caution.

FLEXJET 29th Dec 2017 06:38

not lucky with Falcons?
 
Remember, Lord A. suffered a belly landing with 900EX VP-BMS (he described the accident in his book "Dirty politics, Dirty times".

https://www.gov.uk/aaib-reports/falc...-february-2004

https://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-118323.html

Deep and fast 29th Dec 2017 08:46

In CPH a few months ago and gusting 54kts and I refused to take off the park brake when leaving the aircraft. Be the captain!
As for the park brake not working a short time after shutdown, what does your manual say? Mine should be good for 24hours. If it’s not performing to spec, tech it.

arketip 29th Dec 2017 08:49


Originally Posted by His dudeness (Post 10004038)
its holds definitely longer, but thats irrelevant if you`re asked to keep it off anyways....

Well, yes, they ask, but you do not have to do it if you do not want to.

Only issue is that you might have to drive to the airport to release the brakes if they need to move it. ;)

Miles Magister 29th Dec 2017 13:48

Without prejudice to the current incident there are a few general knowledge things which I hope could help others.

As was said above, be the Captain but you are also the manager down route. I have had several disagreements with airport authorities about leaving the parking brake on but I have also parked the aircraft at an angle across the stand so that it is pointing into the prevailing wind. I have also refused to park close to other aircraft when there is plenty of apron space available.

Also bear in mind That pilots should be aware of the contents of the ground handling section of the maintenance manual. There will be limitations and advice in there which you will not find in aircrew documents.

If your parking brake is not holding the pressure as specified then encourage your management/maintenance to get it fixed. It is often just a matter of tightening some unions or filling points but is always cheaper than other repairs.

Filling up with fuel is a good idea if you can.
Park into wind if you can.
Use the parking break if you can.
Tie down if you can.

Many business jets have points next to the jacking points where you can screw in a tie down hook. It is good practice to keep these tie down hooks on the aircraft with the other aircraft loose equipment such as the TR pins, fuses, jacking cups etc..

I once was asked buy an owner why I was doing the above when no one else was. The next day when he came to board he was able to note some other aircraft which had moved and were touching each other!!!

Even if we consider that it is not our responsibility or fault it is still us who has to deal with the aftermath and it is us who suffer when the bosses aircraft is not available and possibly loose out if he gets fed up with it.

Do not be afraid to manage the FBO's and be strong. Be polite but be firm when needed.

arketip 29th Dec 2017 16:47


Originally Posted by Miles Magister (Post 10004649)
If your parking brake is not holding the pressure as specified then encourage your management/maintenance to get it fixed. It is often just a matter of tightening some unions or filling points but is always cheaper than other repairs.

Well, in the case of "my" aircraft, is fleet wide issue. On all aircraft of this type the parking brake is "safe" for half an hour or a bit more, not for hours for sure.
Unless the manufacturer is willing to modify all aircraft tightening a few unions will not achieve much.
I will keep using chock, even for short parking.


Originally Posted by Miles Magister (Post 10004649)
Filling up with fuel is a good idea if you can.
Park into wind if you can.
Use the parking break if you can.
Tie down if you can.

You really tie down your aircraft everytime you overnight?

RAFAT 29th Dec 2017 19:22

It was interesting to read the first news reports about this yesterday which claimed the aircraft "veered off the runway and hit a building." :ugh:

Miles Magister 29th Dec 2017 23:01

No, but when there are high winds I did.

edmundronald 30th Dec 2017 09:45

Switch off headlights after parking!
 
http://cdn3.spiegel.de/images/image-...lp-1231842.jpg

Fotostrecke: Die Bilder der Woche - Bild 25 - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Panorama

Malta ...
Plane got moved by wind.

Hotel Tango 30th Dec 2017 11:09

Already covered!


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