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Old 10th Dec 2016, 11:40
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Being a passenger aboard a ferry flight...

Hi! I am an engineering 20 year-old student and a private pilot too. I would just know if it would be possible to find a pilot who would agree to have a passenger aboard his airplane during a ferry flight. I already know one who made several transatlantic ferry flights, but he is too old now to do another ferry flight. He just said me that many ferry pilots would prefer flying with another person aboard even if she is not a commercial pilot. So: do you know some pilots who would maybe agree to get me aboard their airplane for a ferry flight (no matter of the destination and the departure point)? (I am seeking this kind of experience for August 2017).
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 06:45
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I'm sure there are people who ferry aircraft who would have no problem taking you. Whether they would "remember" to insure you and pay you is another thing..... Get the owners approval too.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:19
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Yes for sure! Of course, I would pay for insurances, but the main problem is taking part in the flight costs (I am not sure my bank would enjoy paying for example half of a 20hrs trans-Atlantic flight aboard a Beech90.. ). I met once a ferry pilot who agreed to get a passenger (who just had to pay for insurance) on board because he never wanted to make a ferry flight alone.
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Old 11th Dec 2016, 18:54
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Some CJs are single pilot if your talking Jets so it would be a case of making sure the ferry insurance covered you

Single Pistons? The owner often go along with the Ferry Pilots

I am sure as you have a PPL he could put you down as a safety pilot and most insurance would buy that if the aircraft doesn't need two
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Old 12th Dec 2016, 15:22
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Hi Piperush,
I may have something for you, but can't PM you because you just recently joined. PM me and we'll see!
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Old 12th Dec 2016, 15:53
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@ space-shuttle-driver: Thanks, I've got a small problem, I can't PM at the moment (I've sent a message to PPRuNe and I wish it would be possible soon).
@ Pace: The airplane doesn't matter, I would be really grateful even if it is a Piper J3 ). Yes, I've made this post because I have some examples of PPL who did so, and my Flight School bought a PA28 a few years ago and the ferry pilot looked for a passenger to ferry the Airplane (it was expected to be a TransAtlantic flight threw Greenland, Ireland...), but because he didn't found any "passenger"/or/safety pilot, he decided to make a really long flight from Florida to Azores and then from Azores to Europe.
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Old 12th Dec 2016, 16:19
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@space-shuttle-driver: rather than using PM (cause it doesn't work at the moment), could you send me an email at: [email protected]
This is a not my main mail adress, it is just a "trash" mail address. I will answer you with another one. Thanks!
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Old 13th Dec 2016, 21:06
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c'est fait, je t'ai envoyé un mail!
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Old 14th Dec 2016, 00:21
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I'm sure if you can track down Robert Weaver he'd love to have another passenger
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 07:48
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I've sent him an email, but I didn't received any answer up to now.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 09:50
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I'm sure if you can track down Robert Weaver he'd love to have another passenger
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I've sent him an email, but I didn't received any answer up to now.

I think I'll go get a beer and popcorn now!!!!
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 12:49
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@zac21: I've just understood why you wrote that ....
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 16:26
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PipeRush ...
The response from Havick was (we all hope) pure facetiousness ! Whatever you do have nothing to do with any operation involving Robert Weaver..
This is too serious to joke about... You might well be left stranded in the arctic a few hundred or more pounds out of pocket.. that's if you even survive the flight..
Take the trouble to read through these threads..
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 16:58
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Yes, I've understood after reading a few post about this Ferry Pilot 😜.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 23:27
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PipeRush ...
The response from Havick was (we all hope) pure facetiousness ! Whatever you do have nothing to do with any operation involving Robert Weaver..
This is too serious to joke about... You might well be left stranded in the arctic a few hundred or more pounds out of pocket.. that's if you even survive the flight..
Take the trouble to read through these threads..
Of course it was in jest.
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Old 16th Dec 2016, 05:01
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Don't worry, I am not rancorous
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 12:04
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If I may, I would just like to add belatedly my 2p-worth to this interesting thread. I no longer ferry aircraft transatlantic; in fact, I no longer fly personally anywhere. But my experiences, when persuaded ‘as a favour’ or by contract wording, to carry a passenger on a ferry flight, were not always of the happy variety. In short, you never knew quite what you were getting (into).

In particular, a passenger’s likely action (or inaction) in the event of an emergency was unknown. Yet it was still an additional responsibility on me to look after them, land, sea and air. They had an unfortunate propensity to confuse role (pax) and status (proud owner) resulting sometimes in unexpected actions, like taking the liberty of fiddling with ‘their’ GPS, auto-pilot, fuel tanks or radios, not always noticed by myself at the time. And, for some, hearing the word ‘NO’ said to them was clearly alien .. and seen as a challenge. Language differences magnify these things too.

On one memorable occasion, approaching N Scotland from Reykjavik for refuelling in a SEP, my pax suddenly ‘requested’ I divert to Heathrow ! I declined, but it quickly became an awkward, heated, and potentially mutinous discussion in a very confined space. Another pax was clearly unhappy en route about fuel use beyond half-tanks, which made route planning particularly awkward and frustrating. How can one forecast such situations ?

So, while I can see that a transatlantic ferry flight might be the trip of a lifetime for many, on not entirely selfish grounds, I did my best to persuade owners that it might not be for them, all things considered. TBH the ferry pilot has enough to do without random and unwelcome pax-driven demands being introduced to the mix.

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Old 19th Dec 2016, 17:20
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I perfectly understand what you mean and I know that getting a passenger aboard is often a boredom for ferry pilots because they always need to look after him... (this is why I didn't received many PM ). Moreover, if the pax is the owner, it is a really tricky situation (the guy on the left seat is the captain aboard he plane, but the other guy on the right seat is "the captain" of the change purse). As a non-commercial and -lets say the truth- "baby" pilot, I would never try to impose my choice or my ideas... (and I'll not be the owner )
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Old 3rd Jan 2017, 18:35
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Hi all, found this thread maybe you could help me.

I am EASA ATP, time on jet turboprop and piston, interested in joining the ferry pilot community...anyone looking for a sort of "copilot" in order to learn the job?

Or anyone interested in introducing me in this particular field?

Pm if you like

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