Gulfstream vs Global
Take off performance also depends on more than just runway lenght. Elevation and temperature are important, too. We need more info. Even then, don't rely on us anonymous posters for free but accurate advise. Best to hire a pro for the analysis.
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Originally Posted by Mizuno boy
Hi JOS66,
Can't comment on the Gulfstream. We operate a Global XRS and use 4,000 foot runways as long as they are dry. Departing from a 4,000 foot runway gives you about 3 hours range, a 5500 foot runway give 9-10 hours range. these rae ball park numbers and use ISA conditions and dry runways.
If you ahve specific airports and routes let me know.
Cheers
MB
Can't comment on the Gulfstream. We operate a Global XRS and use 4,000 foot runways as long as they are dry. Departing from a 4,000 foot runway gives you about 3 hours range, a 5500 foot runway give 9-10 hours range. these rae ball park numbers and use ISA conditions and dry runways.
If you ahve specific airports and routes let me know.
Cheers
MB
Questions If I may ask:
1. So as long as we land at airports with at least 5000ft of runway, we will safely be able to takeoff and go to a fuel stop X hrs away to top off the tanks if going really long distance? Subject to conditions of course.
2. Does the Slats make a big enough difference to choose the Global over the Gulfstream? Gulfstream (GS) has a very good engineering department like Global, so why has Gulfstream not added Slats to their aircraft if it does improve performance? If must add weight with the extra components and Hydraulics added.
3. I really like the cabin size on the Global, but could for sure live with the GS. IMHO the length of the cabin is more important that the width when they are close to same width. That is why I am not looking at the 8X as an option because of cabin size. Awesome plane and love the efficiency and short field, but flying overseas as I have to do, I want more room.
So, to my question, with all the pluses and minus' (only a few) of both, Will the extra cabin and cockpit space (due to width) make a-lot of improved difference in long flights for the passengers and crew?
As stated, I am not a pilot or expert in any fashion. I am learning and have a great flight department with years of experience to handle things for me. BUT it is my final decision on the aircraft I buy. I do receive their insight and recommendations and both pilots are type rated on both aircraft. But this is also a very big commitment, so I want all the insight I can get to make the best decision for myself, my crew and my company. So Thank You ALL for the feedback.
Thank You ALL Again and Have a Blessed Day!!
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Thank You
Yes I do understand that other dynamics play into and affect the Take Off Performance in real world application. I am just trying to get input and insight from the ones handling these type of aircrafts everyday. The Pilots. Also I understand there is advertised range and real world. Really the range I am needing is around 5500-6500 NM. And I understand that reducing the fuel to lower takeoff weight is required for short runways. I am not looking to take off on 4000-5000ft Runway and fly 12hrs. Not a problem stopping at another gas station with long runway to Top Off the tanks.
Because most Owners will not have a complete understanding and knowledge as Pilots. So hence my questions.
Yes I do understand that other dynamics play into and affect the Take Off Performance in real world application. I am just trying to get input and insight from the ones handling these type of aircrafts everyday. The Pilots. Also I understand there is advertised range and real world. Really the range I am needing is around 5500-6500 NM. And I understand that reducing the fuel to lower takeoff weight is required for short runways. I am not looking to take off on 4000-5000ft Runway and fly 12hrs. Not a problem stopping at another gas station with long runway to Top Off the tanks.
Because most Owners will not have a complete understanding and knowledge as Pilots. So hence my questions.
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Global - Gulfstream
I am lucky to have some experience on both platforms now.... - 6 years on Global Classic and Vision and now on the G650 since this year.
Well -- to complain about one of the manufacturers is like moaning on a high level, but there are some differences though:
I have accompanied the delivery of several globals out of the Montreal delivery centre and the delivery of our G650 now from Long Beach and SAV. Besides the shiny delivery centre, the BBD delivery team seems to put much more effort in producing happy customers. Adressed faults during delivery (if any) are handled very professional.
I had very different experiences now in LGB--- here the customer seems to be some disturbing factor..-- we adressed a couple of problems, but most of them were just sort of tested and no fault found --- well we still have some of those after EIS...
Flying the machine itself: The Global Vison avionics are well advanced to the Plane View of Gulfstream (sorry to say Gulfstream guys...) - itīs much more simple and efficient to operate a Vision than the GVI... (besides that Honeywell has not yet fixed some problems since ages... (wind upload vanishing, lost approaches on flyby) - but just offeres walkarounds..
Both planes have likely the same enginges -- just compare starting the Glex to starting the 650...
For the 650 it seems, like there is a switch from each previous Gulfstream in memorial.....-- they did it, like they always did it before....
Space in the flightdeck is a big minus for the 650...-- the cockpit is just much more narrow than on the Glex
The Wing and FlyByWire of the 650 are really great - i enjoy handflying and landing this platform -- itīa big pro-point for the gulfstream!
Cabin: The huge windows of the 650 speak for themselves...--- but both Cabin Managment Systems produce errrors and problems...
Loading the Gulfstream is not that easy like on the Glex...-- higher and smaller door..
I will fly my boss on whatever plane pays the bill - but at the moment the Global is still my favourite.
just my two cents
welle
I am lucky to have some experience on both platforms now.... - 6 years on Global Classic and Vision and now on the G650 since this year.
Well -- to complain about one of the manufacturers is like moaning on a high level, but there are some differences though:
I have accompanied the delivery of several globals out of the Montreal delivery centre and the delivery of our G650 now from Long Beach and SAV. Besides the shiny delivery centre, the BBD delivery team seems to put much more effort in producing happy customers. Adressed faults during delivery (if any) are handled very professional.
I had very different experiences now in LGB--- here the customer seems to be some disturbing factor..-- we adressed a couple of problems, but most of them were just sort of tested and no fault found --- well we still have some of those after EIS...
Flying the machine itself: The Global Vison avionics are well advanced to the Plane View of Gulfstream (sorry to say Gulfstream guys...) - itīs much more simple and efficient to operate a Vision than the GVI... (besides that Honeywell has not yet fixed some problems since ages... (wind upload vanishing, lost approaches on flyby) - but just offeres walkarounds..
Both planes have likely the same enginges -- just compare starting the Glex to starting the 650...
For the 650 it seems, like there is a switch from each previous Gulfstream in memorial.....-- they did it, like they always did it before....
Space in the flightdeck is a big minus for the 650...-- the cockpit is just much more narrow than on the Glex
The Wing and FlyByWire of the 650 are really great - i enjoy handflying and landing this platform -- itīa big pro-point for the gulfstream!
Cabin: The huge windows of the 650 speak for themselves...--- but both Cabin Managment Systems produce errrors and problems...
Loading the Gulfstream is not that easy like on the Glex...-- higher and smaller door..
I will fly my boss on whatever plane pays the bill - but at the moment the Global is still my favourite.
just my two cents
welle
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Thank you both for the feedback. It helps greatly. I am leaning towards the Global. I do hope that if the acquisition by Textron (I think that is right) goes through, that Textron will not screw up the Global Product Line and Support, but make it better.
Again, Thank You and Be Blessed!
