Gulfstream vs Global

[bleeke]

Just wondering, what would be the more intersting qualification to have for freelance work, Gulfstream or Global?

[Mach Tuck]

Global

Good luck

[Gulfstreamaviator]

fluctuates

Assuming that you had 501 hrs on each, and were prepared to move around then this week I would say GLOBAL....next week who knows.

If you hade 0 hrs, then neither.....

If you had 1000+ then it is all about who you know.... but in general Global....ACASS are a good place to start.

But then I am always looking for my next gig, and thats Gulfstreams.

More interesting. well they cover the same routes, ranges, and destinations, in terms of fun to fly the I think the G550 wins.



glf

[buzzc152]

I like Gulfstream....................and I like Global, but which is better ?........................................................... ............................................................ ............................................................ ...................FIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!

You have to be a Brit to get the reference

[BeCareful]

Whichever one gets me the job and the company/owner picks up the cost of the rating... as long as some European doesn't come running and waving his checkbook to pay for his own rating.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

I am and I dont....

You have to be a Brit to get the reference

glf

[flydive1]

Whichever one gets me the job and the company/owner picks up the cost of the rating... as long as some European doesn't come running and waving his checkbook to pay for his own rating.

He is talking about freelance job, most freelance pilots pay for their training, no company is going to pay your rating to employ you for maybe 3 days.

Of course you would never accept, a job in Europe, stealing it from an European, right

[ksjc]

Regarding the GLEX type rating-
Good news: Global has 2 additional variants on the horizon. Global 7000 and 8000.
Bad news: ALL new Globals, including 5000 and 6000, will come with the new "GlobalVision" avionics. Not sure this will be a separate type rating but surely will require differences training.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

new rumour

The G650 will just have a differences from the 550......

But you must have the INITIAL on a G550, not a G450 or G5.

You heard it first here.

glf

[Barracuda550]

Gulf,

What´s the difference between doing the initial of G450 and then differences for the G550 and the opposite? Cost? Time?

Thanks.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

In general G550 and differences is best routeThere are very few G450 simulators in th

The G550 is quite common.

The G450 differences is 1 day.

I suspect the G550 and G450 differences will always be cheaper.

As to specific prices I can not answer that, the G550 route is prefered as it in basically less cost to most students.

I suggest you ask the service providers, as well as any consolidators.

A pair of students might be less expensive that a one off.

Glf

[Barracuda550]

Gulf,

Thanks for your reply.
I have to do the initial next year for a brand new G450. The training is provided at not cost by Gulfstream.
I wonder if I could do the G550 initial instead of G450 and then differences.
This way, the step to get the G650 rating would be easier, as you say.
Does it make sense?

I´ll ask FSI and GALP anyway.

Thanks.

[Gulfstreamaviator]

In Theory

Glf should give the G450 initial...there are several differences that are quite relevant.

Also if you have not flown G4 then you might not get the full benefit of the initial, and the G450 would eb the best route.

Then you can do your recurrent on the other model....

Glf

[northern boy]

It would have to be the Global. Far more of the type around in Europe. Also helps if you are a Captain.

I used to be G5/550 rated and with time on type. I couldn't get the slightest interest until my LPC had expired. On inquiring how much it would be for a renewal from the one and only provider in the UK, I was quoted US55000(!!)

Needless to say, after 15 months in the doldrums I am now doing something else.

The other useful rating in Europe is the Embraer Legacy. Lots of those around.

The Gulfstream is a great aircraft to fly if a tad skittish and not terribly reliable when used like an airliner but a fairly useless type rating in Europe in my experience.

Good luck.

[Marcus550]

Interesting thread. I'm an aircraft owner, not a pilot, we are currently operating a G550 and have a delivery position for a 650. At the urging of serveral friends we looked closely at the Global Express line when we were preparing to buy and were thoroughly unimpressed, both with aircraft itself, and with Bombardier. I do understand that it sells very well in Europe, and not so much in North America. My hope in reading this thread was to understand the perceived advantages of the Global that makes it sell so well in Europe?

[NICOOOLDUDU]

It would be interesting to compare the t/o and landing perf of the G550 and Global. The Global has slats whereas the G550 doesn't. Now I'am wondering if these slats could gives better performances on the Global in order to land on European's shortests runways (Samedan, Cannes, St Gallen Altenrein, etc..) whereas in the USA most of runway strips are long enough to be operated by any kind of plane. This would explain the Bombardier's success in Europe against Gulfstream.
Take that as a simple question, not a trigger pulled on Ppruners to get "what is best".

[mutt]

Global Express line when we were preparing to buy and were thoroughly unimpressed, both with aircraft itself, and with Bombardier

Marcus, would you care to expand on this, what exactly did you find lacking in the aircraft/company?

Mutt

[Marcus550]

Well to begin with, the sales force/demo people seem to begin with the assumption that they would lose out to Gulfstream without knowing whether we even intended to comparison shop. That, in and of itself, wasn't terribly impressive.

The demo flight was short (about 30 minutes), hot (cabin temp about 80F) and very noisy. I don't know why this should have been so, and did not ask. They volunteered the fact that they'd had "ECS problems with this demonstrator".

We came prepared with a list of 30 questions we wanted answered, concerning the aircraft's performance ("well it's better than a GIV"). None were answered during our visit but they promised to get back to us. They never did.

I thought the interior was rather nice, until I compared it to a Falcon 2000 and a G550. Then it seemed rather minimalist and uncomfortable.

There were other things as well. Perhaps a better sales presentation/demo/demo flight would have relieved some of these issues. I don't know.

This was some 20 months ago, I guess so I'm basing my comments on my aging memory. I didn't take notes, and hadn't thought much about the Global until I happened across this thread.

Our flight crew had no input in our decision as we had committed to Gulfstream before we found/hired our crewmembers.

[galaxy flyer]

A Global's speeds are 18 knots slower than a G450, but only a few knots different for landing than a G550. The takeoff speeds on a GLEX are lower than either one, owing a lot to the low Vmcg (86 knots) and some to the slats. The G550 has some more range, if you fly 6,000 nm legs frequently. The Boss ALWAYS likes the room of the GLEX.

GF

[international hog driver]

perceived advantages of the Global that makes it sell so well in Europe

Price.

We operate a Falcon and it is open knowledge that the boss wants to upgrade, BBD have cut seven figure numbers off the price to get is to come over.....

They are not there yet