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Okay, I've cooled off. 
I'm sure I over-reacted, but you and Tamer caught me at just the wrong moment on a fairly rough day. I also looked up "Prima Donna" to see if I was not using the phrase correctly. This is one of the two definitions for "Prima Donna" that I found in the dictionary: "a vain or undisciplined person who finds it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team".
When I refer to having to deal with, and trying to avoid, "Prima Donnas", I am talking about those pilots who have no discipline, do not want to work together to get the job done as part of the team, and complain loudly when they are asked to do something.
Now, I also know that another definition I've seen is this: "A temperamental, conceited person, egotistical, unreasonable and irritable, with a rather high opinion of themselves not shared by others".
I can see how you might think that I fit that definition
, especially if you don't know me personally and possibly have not read other posts I have made, and I understand your comment based on that, but I think you took my original comments out of context. If I am irritable or annoyed, its because I have been having to deal with "Prima Donna" pilots who don't want to work hard and yet demand big salaries and benefits, and to top it all off, most of them don't have the qualifications or experience that would give them the right to even begin to act like that. Believe me, if you were in my shoes and were having to deal with the people I have had to deal with lately, you'd feel the same way I do!
If you read all of my threads and posts, check out my background and talk to people who work with me and fly with me, and then you still think I'm a Prima Donna after that, then so be it. We all have an opinion, but if asking or expecting that those that fly or work for me meet the same standards and requirements I hold myself to is being a Prima Donna, then you can call me that all day long.
Oh, and by the way, at 6'2" and 205 pounds, I definitely don't have "short man complex" nor was I ever picked on at school (except that one time when I was only 14 and I started dating that hot 17 yr old cheerleader...all the 17-18 yr old guys on the football team were quite put out by that and tried hard to dissuade me from treading on their "turf" - I happily fought all of them and proudly wore a black eye a couple of times, because she was well worth it)!
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I'm sure I over-reacted, but you and Tamer caught me at just the wrong moment on a fairly rough day. I also looked up "Prima Donna" to see if I was not using the phrase correctly. This is one of the two definitions for "Prima Donna" that I found in the dictionary: "a vain or undisciplined person who finds it difficult to work under direction or as part of a team".When I refer to having to deal with, and trying to avoid, "Prima Donnas", I am talking about those pilots who have no discipline, do not want to work together to get the job done as part of the team, and complain loudly when they are asked to do something.
Now, I also know that another definition I've seen is this: "A temperamental, conceited person, egotistical, unreasonable and irritable, with a rather high opinion of themselves not shared by others".
I can see how you might think that I fit that definition
, especially if you don't know me personally and possibly have not read other posts I have made, and I understand your comment based on that, but I think you took my original comments out of context. If I am irritable or annoyed, its because I have been having to deal with "Prima Donna" pilots who don't want to work hard and yet demand big salaries and benefits, and to top it all off, most of them don't have the qualifications or experience that would give them the right to even begin to act like that. Believe me, if you were in my shoes and were having to deal with the people I have had to deal with lately, you'd feel the same way I do!If you read all of my threads and posts, check out my background and talk to people who work with me and fly with me, and then you still think I'm a Prima Donna after that, then so be it. We all have an opinion, but if asking or expecting that those that fly or work for me meet the same standards and requirements I hold myself to is being a Prima Donna, then you can call me that all day long.
Oh, and by the way, at 6'2" and 205 pounds, I definitely don't have "short man complex" nor was I ever picked on at school (except that one time when I was only 14 and I started dating that hot 17 yr old cheerleader...all the 17-18 yr old guys on the football team were quite put out by that and tried hard to dissuade me from treading on their "turf" - I happily fought all of them and proudly wore a black eye a couple of times, because she was well worth it)!
Keith
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As far as the F/O profile Keith is looking for, I would be more than happy to handle him my CV if I had the required rating. A job is posted, T&C's are explained, then we are all grown old men able to make decisions. And with decisions come responsibilities...
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A type rating is required for the UK based CL604 F/O position, but for the right individual, we will at least finance it (interest free loan and at a very good price). If you have at least 2500 hours and some amount of multi-engine turbine time, and you are interested in the job, just PM me and I will give you my email address where you can send your CV. I have already picked out two pilots for positions on a US based aircraft, and this weekend I will be giving a sim check to the primary candidate I've picked for the UK F/O position. If he doesn't pass the sim check for some reason, I will be looking again.
And for those who PM'd me about the UK based Challenger that are Captain qualified, just spoke to the owner and he doesn't want another Captain, or I should say his budget won't support another one, so I am only able to offer an F/O salary. Sorry, guys. I fought for a bigger budget, but I didn't get it.
A type rating is required for the UK based CL604 F/O position, but for the right individual, we will at least finance it (interest free loan and at a very good price). If you have at least 2500 hours and some amount of multi-engine turbine time, and you are interested in the job, just PM me and I will give you my email address where you can send your CV. I have already picked out two pilots for positions on a US based aircraft, and this weekend I will be giving a sim check to the primary candidate I've picked for the UK F/O position. If he doesn't pass the sim check for some reason, I will be looking again.
And for those who PM'd me about the UK based Challenger that are Captain qualified, just spoke to the owner and he doesn't want another Captain, or I should say his budget won't support another one, so I am only able to offer an F/O salary. Sorry, guys. I fought for a bigger budget, but I didn't get it.
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Keith, at least be honest, you don't want another Captain, you may get found out.
What utter rubbish, you are so full of it. You get paid 100k and you call that top of the market? Maybe in the US but here in Blighty you are underpaid buddy, proves it: pay peanuts get monkeys.
And stop advertising for PTF FO jobs, take out an ad and pay for the privilege.
What utter rubbish, you are so full of it. You get paid 100k and you call that top of the market? Maybe in the US but here in Blighty you are underpaid buddy, proves it: pay peanuts get monkeys.
And stop advertising for PTF FO jobs, take out an ad and pay for the privilege.
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I think your PM inbox might require a little clearout as I am unable to send you a message..
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Under another thread{Tansat Hiring, Canada forum} you will find a post in which a poster just cant understand why I am paid over market price in my dotage to fly a 421B, Keithskye, thank you, you just answered for me, hope you find an F/O as good as the young pilot sitting next to me these days! They are out there, just hard to find amoungst the mob!
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Keithskye, as you know there are many on these boards who have been out of work for some time. Blowing your own trumpet about your level of expertise and professionalism is one thing,
but advertising your salary repeatedly at just about every opportunity is highly likely to p***s many off.
and just in case nobody read that, you repeat it...
and for good measure, incase we missed it twice....
Are you surprised that you attract derogatory remarks?
I know that there are pilots who would happily work for less to get my job, but in the end, its up to the owner to decide whether the corner he cuts on salary is worth the risk of possibly having a less proficient and efficient crew holding his life and the life of his loved ones and business associates and guests in their hands....
I think it saved me and a group of other less experienced pilots when, as part of a group of 6 twin Cessnas on an air tour of the north side of the Grand Canyon, with snow showers increasing and visibility and ceiling dropping rapidly with us down inside the canyon, I told everyone to follow my lead and start climbing (on diverging headings for separation) and calling center for a squawk and a clearance, even though technically we were on a VFR-only passenger carrying tour flight and our aircraft were not "legal" to fly IFR. We all climbed out on top and flew back to home base without an incident...
I fly a CL604 based in the UK and I am paid $163,000 or at today's exchange rate 102,000 GBP
and just in case nobody read that, you repeat it...
I fly a CL604 based in the UK and I am paid $163,000 or at today's exchange rate 102,000 GBP or 117,000 Euro. I get $120/day per diem...
and for good measure, incase we missed it twice....
What I've learned is that my income on the bizjet side is very good for what I do (about 100K GBP)...
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Keith, on 4th June you grab the interest of those seeking work by reminding them that you are still looking for a 604 Captain. That subsequently changed to an FO position (did you really want a Capatin..I doubt it?)
Two days later you tell us that you have received many PM's and applications, and have interviewed many fine candidates. You tell us it was overwhelming; I wonder how you found the time to continue posting on pprune.
I guessed you worked hard though, because the same day you appear to have made a choice and tell us all that you have arranged a sim check for your favourite candidate. I wish him or her well, but surely it begs the question why you still (in the same post) invite more to apply? Are you a serial advertiser as well as a serial salary announcer?
Another observation. When questioned as to why your previous co-pilot was leaving, you provide us with two completely different reasons. In answer to the suggestion that he may have left to escape you, (sounds reasonable to me) you tell us about his other non aviation related business interests. On another forum posted much earlier, you tell us that "you took a chance on hiring him....but sadly it didn't work out."
Something doesn't add up...not sure what it is though. You have told us a thousand times of your experience, excellence as pilot, how many vacancies you have filled of late, and of course your salary. In view of the fact that I post using my real name, please DO ignore any application I may accidently submit to you if I find myself in the unfortunate position of needing work.
Two days later you tell us that you have received many PM's and applications, and have interviewed many fine candidates. You tell us it was overwhelming; I wonder how you found the time to continue posting on pprune.
I guessed you worked hard though, because the same day you appear to have made a choice and tell us all that you have arranged a sim check for your favourite candidate. I wish him or her well, but surely it begs the question why you still (in the same post) invite more to apply? Are you a serial advertiser as well as a serial salary announcer?
Another observation. When questioned as to why your previous co-pilot was leaving, you provide us with two completely different reasons. In answer to the suggestion that he may have left to escape you, (sounds reasonable to me) you tell us about his other non aviation related business interests. On another forum posted much earlier, you tell us that "you took a chance on hiring him....but sadly it didn't work out."
Something doesn't add up...not sure what it is though. You have told us a thousand times of your experience, excellence as pilot, how many vacancies you have filled of late, and of course your salary. In view of the fact that I post using my real name, please DO ignore any application I may accidently submit to you if I find myself in the unfortunate position of needing work.
