Proline 21 and EFB on JAR-OPS

[pilot dude]

We fly a CJ3 with the Jeppesen appoach plates option on the EFIS. At the moment we have to fly with paper back-up, is there anybody that has a JAA certified solution for using a portable EFB as back-up instead of making lots of prints every time.

thanks PD

[Kelly Hopper]

Easy. Go to Austria. JAR-OPS 1, EPB's no paper back up.
Not legal but hey, that's Austria!!

[Denti]

Airline ops so slightly different, but according to EU-OPS we don't have to have paper backup for our portable EFBs (which we are not allowed to use in flight below 1000ft) if we have two operational FMC. No paper documentation carried except the AFM (somehwere hidden in a closet) and no possibility to print out any maps nor can we display any plates on our ND (only on the EFBs).

[tommoutrie]

I had been looking at this with a tablet PC. FOI had not discounted it. Running Flightdeck on a tablet with integral GPS gives a fully independent nav source with everything available and you can set up the tablet to wake on power (that means you leave it in the rack behind P2 seat and it just comes on by itself when you put the master on). If you lose everything in the plane you are left with about 3 hours of battery on the tablet - enough for you to divert and get your trousers cleaned. The important thing in any of the CJ's is the extra room it gives you. Currently I can't put the seat all the way back because of all the pointless crap we have to carry around and I can't imagine how the guys who have CJ's on a worldwide AOC manage. Less relevent now the company I worked for have imploded but I'm happy to help if you want to progress it.

Not finished, not approved, but definitely not impossible

Tom

[pilot dude]

Denti, do i understand it correct that you fly with proline 21 and an EFB JAA aproved?

How do all the other opperators out there fly? carying paper around just like us?

[LearjetGA]

Take a look at the TGL36. That's the Technical Guidance Leaflet explaining the requirements for the EFB. Be aware that the CJ3 with the IFIS is a Class 2 EFB. There may be possibility for approval if you set up a program where you demonstrate to have a decent back up. (paper charts, laptop with printer....)

[pilot dude]

Why is according to you the system class 2? according to leaflet 36 it says:

Class 2 EFB systems are:
· Generally COTS-based computer systems used for aircraft operations,
· Portable,
· Connect to aircraft power through a certified power source,
· Connected to an aircraft mounting device during normal operations,
· Considered as a controlled PED,
· Connectivity to Avionics is possible,
· Class 2 EFB systems require airworthiness approval as described in Section 6.

COTS is commersial sold of the shelf (think laptops pda's etc)
point 2, the IFIS-5000 isnt portable

The IFIS-5000 system is a part of the (build in) Rockwell Collins proline 21 EFIS system so i would say it class 3

Altough i'm not sure if this would make certifiaction easer i guess it would be considdered a part of the aircraft and would technically already be certified. wouldnt it?

[fullyspooled]

I may be mistaken here, but if a second file server unit (FSU) is incorporated into your Proline MFD option this will permit approved use of "paperless cockpit" due to the redundancy this offords. However, to my knowledge, no operations may be conducted without the paper navigation (rad nav charts) - it's just the approach and airport plates that may be dispensed with.

Al fantastic kit btw, especially for taxiing! Don't know how we managed before.

[pilot dude]

We have one file server, after reading the (faa) approval of the IFIS-5000 it say's:

operators with optional Electronic charts (E-charts) must have a back-up chart available to the flight crew.

The question actually is if we have a class 1 EFB if this would be sufficient as a back-up chart system. (for approach and airport plates, we would still have jeppesten part 1 and airway charts in paper)

PD

[pilot dude]

Positive!GearUp!, Good to see there is light on the horizon. What type of EFB's are you using? how many EFB's per aircraft? Do you have an EFIS-5000 or equal system build in to your aircraft is it just a Falcon 2000 or do you have other (smaller) aircraft in your fleet? which company do you fly for so i can reasearch them on the LBA server (you can PM for this info), Is the approval your company got for them only or is this a general aproval for EFB's in germany now?

Lots of questions but thanks for your info,

PD

[pilot dude]

Did you guys have to get all the aplications certified at once or was it posible to f.e. first certify the approach plates and at a later stage the OM-A,B,D Etc

Do you guys have an EFB with harddisk or with flash memory?

thanks for the info?

PD

[pilot dude]

did you guys have to demonstrate compiance with ED 14 or DO+160 for EMI or do you guys have to switch of the EFB for take off and landing as a PED in comliance with TGL-29