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Flat Spin, your words are music to my ears as a potential owner, however operating to (for example) Galway is not a problem in terms of aircraft performance. A typical scenario would be that the performance charts for a departure from Galway to the chosen destination using the JAR ops performance data provided by our supplier would be consulted. If we cannot depart JAR ops we will not go to pick passengers up, and this does happen.
Then we would look at the conditions for arrival and should we not have the perormance to get in using JAR ops performance data, GA landing data would be used (less restrictive). The reason i have questioned Scratchpad is because he makes it seem like we always position GA and we don't, and that crews who refuse to position GA are changed, and they are not.
They are operating within the limits of the Aircraft Flight Manual which is perfectly safe. My question to Scratchpad of why the regulatory authority (INAC) have not put a stop to this if it is unsafe remains unanswered.
I've been with NJE 5 years and i can still count on one hand the number of positioning flights i have done GA, infact i think one of them was actually Galway!
With respect, it isn't bending the rules, it just means we are using the aircraft to the maximum of it's capabilities to provide a service to the owners.
Then we would look at the conditions for arrival and should we not have the perormance to get in using JAR ops performance data, GA landing data would be used (less restrictive). The reason i have questioned Scratchpad is because he makes it seem like we always position GA and we don't, and that crews who refuse to position GA are changed, and they are not.
They are operating within the limits of the Aircraft Flight Manual which is perfectly safe. My question to Scratchpad of why the regulatory authority (INAC) have not put a stop to this if it is unsafe remains unanswered.
I've been with NJE 5 years and i can still count on one hand the number of positioning flights i have done GA, infact i think one of them was actually Galway!
With respect, it isn't bending the rules, it just means we are using the aircraft to the maximum of it's capabilities to provide a service to the owners.
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The INAC question was once explained to me by a Portuguese NJE pilot as being one of 'over the knee'. Of course I have no idea what he meant 
Nothing improper I'm sure.
As for 'going private' (as opposed to GA) yup, I was asked to do that. Refused point blank and someone else was called in. I can also recall there being questions over fire cover when operating into a small airfield in France, never did get a satisfactory answer either.
Sorry SB but it was an open secret for some time. Not saying things haven't changed but there's some merit in Scratch Pad's posts. If Flat Spin's comments are anything to go by this sort of thing was more widely known than we thought at the time and seems to have cost Netjets some sales. Hope they've learned by their mistakes.
Nothing improper I'm sure.As for 'going private' (as opposed to GA) yup, I was asked to do that. Refused point blank and someone else was called in. I can also recall there being questions over fire cover when operating into a small airfield in France, never did get a satisfactory answer either.
Sorry SB but it was an open secret for some time. Not saying things haven't changed but there's some merit in Scratch Pad's posts. If Flat Spin's comments are anything to go by this sort of thing was more widely known than we thought at the time and seems to have cost Netjets some sales. Hope they've learned by their mistakes.
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I couldn't have said it better SB.
If the numbers don't work we don't go.
If we can land GA to get passengers out Commercially, we do it. No reason not do it, is there?
And yes mr. Flinstone, a loooong time ago it was different, but it really changed, believe me.
Anyway, good night everyone, time for my beautysleep.
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If the numbers don't work we don't go.
If we can land GA to get passengers out Commercially, we do it. No reason not do it, is there?
And yes mr. Flinstone, a loooong time ago it was different, but it really changed, believe me.
Anyway, good night everyone, time for my beautysleep.
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I have operated into Galway in a H800, fully complying with Jar-ops performance requirements, with pax on board.
I have a simple rule, if it is not Safe and Legal I don't do it. Reasonable, well that is a whole other subject!
I have a simple rule, if it is not Safe and Legal I don't do it. Reasonable, well that is a whole other subject!
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This is my experience on the Lear60, those who knows me know the figures.
First year after delivering a lear 60 the aircraft is more time on the ground doing maintenance than flying, after first year they are good.
If you get a bad one (built on friday) get rid of it, will never fly good.
Lear 60 with one F/A is ok, we always have one on board.
Lear 60XR with one F/A is a pain, galley is designed by Homer Simpson.
Lear 60´s are like Ferraris: attractive, fast but maintenance is expensive.
The older the 60 is the better they are, the new ones....get away from them
They will never break-even with a 60.
First year after delivering a lear 60 the aircraft is more time on the ground doing maintenance than flying, after first year they are good.
If you get a bad one (built on friday) get rid of it, will never fly good.
Lear 60 with one F/A is ok, we always have one on board.
Lear 60XR with one F/A is a pain, galley is designed by Homer Simpson.
Lear 60´s are like Ferraris: attractive, fast but maintenance is expensive.
The older the 60 is the better they are, the new ones....get away from them
They will never break-even with a 60.
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Hello to everybody!
I start to get pissed off about airline, so I was getting interested in JR, no idea how it works in GA, but all my friends in NJE are very happy. As far as I know, NJE is still blocked, so why don`t try at JR..
BUT: who knows something about JR? Operational base? Off days? Vac? Salary?
I start to get pissed off about airline, so I was getting interested in JR, no idea how it works in GA, but all my friends in NJE are very happy. As far as I know, NJE is still blocked, so why don`t try at JR..
BUT: who knows something about JR? Operational base? Off days? Vac? Salary?
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I don't think Jet Republic will even start for another year or so - right? Maybe they start to hire next year. They still need their first aircraft delivered. Does anyone have better information on start up date?
VistaJet may be hiring in the new year - I would also check them out (there is another thread on VistaJet here as well).
VistaJet may be hiring in the new year - I would also check them out (there is another thread on VistaJet here as well).
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The 'man' in question couldnt deliver hours for the largest broker in the UK, so how he has managed to start this (I reserve judgement on funding) I have no idea.
Its like all these 'great idea' people, they lack the ability to put an adequate infrastructure down. Its style over substance yet again.
Stay well away.
Its like all these 'great idea' people, they lack the ability to put an adequate infrastructure down. Its style over substance yet again.
Stay well away.
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Dear All,
There is plenty here about the flight perfomance of the aircraft but not so much about the maintenance of the beast...
JB claims that maintenance will be covered by ASF's across Europe. Good luck with that JB! Few of these facilities are geared up for the 60 and even fewer are geared up for AOG support.
This may explain why he needs such a large number of units.. From 100 aircraft, they may keep about 40 operational at any one time (providing that they don't leave them out in the rain - LJ's don't like getting wet you know.
There is plenty here about the flight perfomance of the aircraft but not so much about the maintenance of the beast...
JB claims that maintenance will be covered by ASF's across Europe. Good luck with that JB! Few of these facilities are geared up for the 60 and even fewer are geared up for AOG support.
This may explain why he needs such a large number of units.. From 100 aircraft, they may keep about 40 operational at any one time (providing that they don't leave them out in the rain - LJ's don't like getting wet you know.
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Sorry Flat Spin but i have to disagree with you.
It is operating to within the performance limits specified by the aircraft manufacturer on certification. With passengers on board there would be an additional safety margin on top of this. At NO time is ANY crew member operating or being asked to operate outside the capabilities of the aircraft when positioning GA.
I really don't see your point, could you elaborate on what exactly concerns you about doing that?
It is operating to within the performance limits specified by the aircraft manufacturer on certification. With passengers on board there would be an additional safety margin on top of this. At NO time is ANY crew member operating or being asked to operate outside the capabilities of the aircraft when positioning GA.
I really don't see your point, could you elaborate on what exactly concerns you about doing that?
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My perception is that one of the major benefits of utilising a private jet is that it facilitates gateways not otherwise available on commercial services. If the choice of steed is runway hungry that would suggest that the service must more than compensate for the inconvenience.
Using the Galway example, if the aircraft can't land / depart Galway, and your business is there, using Knock or Shannon entails at least a 1 hour road trip post landing and pre departure which kind of puts the mockers on their claim that "time is money".
The Blackberry and great Espresso doesn't convince me that not being able to stand in the cabin works either.
The XRS also has a range problem, in that it is Europe, short haul only: transatlantic involves tech stops ( Gander in winter???) as does Dubai and South Africa and India are just dreams.
Finally, if they are having to advertise for key Ops personnel they may talk a good talk and have a swish website but they appear to know b8gger all about setting up and running an operation.
Using the Galway example, if the aircraft can't land / depart Galway, and your business is there, using Knock or Shannon entails at least a 1 hour road trip post landing and pre departure which kind of puts the mockers on their claim that "time is money".
The Blackberry and great Espresso doesn't convince me that not being able to stand in the cabin works either.
The XRS also has a range problem, in that it is Europe, short haul only: transatlantic involves tech stops ( Gander in winter???) as does Dubai and South Africa and India are just dreams.
Finally, if they are having to advertise for key Ops personnel they may talk a good talk and have a swish website but they appear to know b8gger all about setting up and running an operation.
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Saw this yesterday ! Jet Republic ?
PILOTOS This is an ongoing vacancy
LISBOA
BOAS CONDIÇÕES
A slot Aviation encontra-se a recrutar para seu cliente no ramo aeronautico, sedeado na grande lisboa:
Captains/ First Officers
- Licença JAA
- Experiencia como piloto com minimo de 1500 horas voo
- Bons conhecimentos de inglês, outros conhecimentos linguisticos são uma mais valia.
- Flexiblidade de Horários
Reference: pilotos
PILOTOS This is an ongoing vacancy
LISBOA
BOAS CONDIÇÕES
A slot Aviation encontra-se a recrutar para seu cliente no ramo aeronautico, sedeado na grande lisboa:
Captains/ First Officers
- Licença JAA
- Experiencia como piloto com minimo de 1500 horas voo
- Bons conhecimentos de inglês, outros conhecimentos linguisticos são uma mais valia.
- Flexiblidade de Horários
Reference: pilotos
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Heard a rumour recently that Coffee Republic has not sold one cup of coffee to date. Apparently the shop has been open for nearly 3 months and no one's come in and bought anything. Lots of beans being spent on the cost side.
I thought it was all going to be a breeze, and hundreds of thousands of HNW's would take to their Lattes and Blackberries at FL410...
Anyone know any hard data. Rumours have often been found to be wrong.
I thought it was all going to be a breeze, and hundreds of thousands of HNW's would take to their Lattes and Blackberries at FL410...
Anyone know any hard data. Rumours have often been found to be wrong.
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Well, would you buy a cup of coffee when there is no cup and no coffee? at least not for another few months? Maybe when the coffee cups arrive the sales might improve? But it must be expensive to pay for all the baristas for a year with no customers.
They should however be able to make a good cup of coffee after a year of talking about it!
They should however be able to make a good cup of coffee after a year of talking about it!
