small jet down in London
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Fusian : You K**B !!
LGW Vulture : Planty of VP-B** and VP-C** aircraft operate commercial flights for that matter !!
FACT : Aircraft was Citation 501 VP-BGE, built 1975.
Owner Or OPR : Ross Air, Hamilton, Bermuda since 07/06/02
Was a regular visitor to BOH where maintenance was routinely carried out by the Cessna Citation Service Centre, not that I'm inferring they were in any way, shape or form responsible for this tragic accident.
Some of the crap posted above is as bad as the 'Chav' reports I've heard on Sky/BBC
LGW Vulture : Planty of VP-B** and VP-C** aircraft operate commercial flights for that matter !!
FACT : Aircraft was Citation 501 VP-BGE, built 1975.
Owner Or OPR : Ross Air, Hamilton, Bermuda since 07/06/02
Was a regular visitor to BOH where maintenance was routinely carried out by the Cessna Citation Service Centre, not that I'm inferring they were in any way, shape or form responsible for this tragic accident.
Some of the crap posted above is as bad as the 'Chav' reports I've heard on Sky/BBC
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do we know if the A/C had departed 21 or 03?? i.e. did they manage to fly down wind before the tragidy... Gosh I fly from Biggin in a cessna (152) 
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Well, first of all, my sympathies to the families of those killed in this tragic accident. But I have to say it really saddens me that the news coverage has focussed almost exclusively on the residents, with only a passing acknowledgement of the fatalities on board the aircraft. The BBC even managed to dig up some local resident who got her couple of minutes of fame complaining about the 'accident waiting to happen' and the 3 schools and hospital that are at risk from errant aircraft. If this was an RTC, I can't help thinking the coverage would be so much less biased. Rant over
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I have to agree with BabyPrice - all the media coverage seems to be interested in in the local area and the cause of the accident. For goodness sakes, a family, two families, possibly more have lost relations in this tragic accident. Trust the media to be more speculative than actually respect the fact that there have been people lost in this accident. RIP.
The next thing the media will be doing will be like the LHR 777 incident in January, copying posts from the PPRuNe - "pilots on a well known internet forum have said....". Pathetic stuff.
In regards to this thread and the other thread, wouldn't be more suitable to close one thread and point all discussion towards the other? Or merge the two?
...And VH- is Australia, but what country uses the VP- designation (as VP-BGE has been noted in the other thread?)
Jamie.
The next thing the media will be doing will be like the LHR 777 incident in January, copying posts from the PPRuNe - "pilots on a well known internet forum have said....". Pathetic stuff.
In regards to this thread and the other thread, wouldn't be more suitable to close one thread and point all discussion towards the other? Or merge the two?
...And VH- is Australia, but what country uses the VP- designation (as VP-BGE has been noted in the other thread?)
Jamie.
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No opinions, conjecture or comment just sincere, heartfelt condolences to the families, friends and colleagues of the deceased and hopes for a speedy resolution to any other persons affected by this terrible tragedy.
Remember, guys, there are a lot of people both directly and indirectly affected by events such as this.
I will be sparing a thought not only for the deceased and their families but also for everyone who has to deal with the consequences; friends and co-workers, the emergency services, investigators, witnesses and the homeowners. A lot of people will be very distressed and suffering over the next few days, weeks and beyond.
RIP
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Remember, guys, there are a lot of people both directly and indirectly affected by events such as this.
I will be sparing a thought not only for the deceased and their families but also for everyone who has to deal with the consequences; friends and co-workers, the emergency services, investigators, witnesses and the homeowners. A lot of people will be very distressed and suffering over the next few days, weeks and beyond.
RIP
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Also, the flight plan on CFMU has an Actual time of arrival for the flight of 1554Z (i.e.landed) so maybe this was a different aircraft... ?
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Yeah perhaps a little inappropriate but at least it lightens the mood slightly.
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Not as inappropriate as the BBC broadcasting such verbal diarrhea from attention-seeking, pikey chavs and general fantasists. Yes it's a very nasty incident, and it's very sad that people have apparently lost their lives, but an outpouring of detached, insincere grief from those who have no personal connection to those involved either directly or indirectly is also rather nauseating.
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Well, first of all, my sympathies to the families of those killed in this tragic accident. But I have to say it really saddens me that the news coverage has focussed almost exclusively on the residents, with only a passing acknowledgement of the fatalities on board the aircraft. The BBC even managed to dig up some local resident who got her couple of minutes of fame complaining about the 'accident waiting to happen' and the 3 schools and hospital that are at risk from errant aircraft. If this was an RTC, I can't help thinking the coverage would be so much less biased. Rant over
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Unbelievable - 'Accident waiting to happen' how could the resident presume this???
Farnborough is no different from anywhere else, I bet there were other fatalities in Farnborough today in car crashes??? So how can the Schools & Hospital be at more risk from the said 'errant' Aircraft than anything else???
The next thing we will hear, Will be that the BBC has paid for the residents to go away to get over the crash, It's the old story when it comes to the British media - Anything for a story.
My condolences to the family & friends of the victims.
Well, first of all, my sympathies to the families of those killed in this tragic accident. But I have to say it really saddens me that the news coverage has focussed almost exclusively on the residents, with only a passing acknowledgement of the fatalities on board the aircraft. The BBC even managed to dig up some local resident who got her couple of minutes of fame complaining about the 'accident waiting to happen' and the 3 schools and hospital that are at risk from errant aircraft. If this was an RTC, I can't help thinking the coverage would be so much less biased. Rant over
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Unbelievable - 'Accident waiting to happen' how could the resident presume this???
Farnborough is no different from anywhere else, I bet there were other fatalities in Farnborough today in car crashes??? So how can the Schools & Hospital be at more risk from the said 'errant' Aircraft than anything else???
The next thing we will hear, Will be that the BBC has paid for the residents to go away to get over the crash, It's the old story when it comes to the British media - Anything for a story.
My condolences to the family & friends of the victims.
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built in a once isolated area that should be brought to account for the sad unneccessary fatalities of experienced pilots whom had they not needed to avoid the obstacles and clipped the buildings on their low emergency approach may possibly have landed safely before the treshold.
And while I am here can I add my vote for a merging of the two parallel threads on this incident?
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Having been involved with aviation for many a good year and the rarity in the UK of such an event (Biz Jet fatal accident), I find today most galling!
For the daft like me, what effects can an uncontained engine/engine component failure have in regard to the surrounding airframe and controls on the flyability of a 33 year old twin engined executive jet?
Are the more modern rear engined exec jets any different?
I only ask as to improve my understanding of such an incident within the context of what I currently do.
For the daft like me, what effects can an uncontained engine/engine component failure have in regard to the surrounding airframe and controls on the flyability of a 33 year old twin engined executive jet?
Are the more modern rear engined exec jets any different?
I only ask as to improve my understanding of such an incident within the context of what I currently do.
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Google Maps link to the house concerned - it's clearly identifiable from the BBC and Sky photos as the one between the blue car and the round blue swimming pool.
Very bad luck for the pilot who presumably was aiming for the nearby Derrick Wood and surrounding greenery and very nearly made it. Very bad luck for the homeowners too but at least they are alive.
Sympathies for all involved.
Very bad luck for the pilot who presumably was aiming for the nearby Derrick Wood and surrounding greenery and very nearly made it. Very bad luck for the homeowners too but at least they are alive.
Sympathies for all involved.
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Very sad news.
I am fuming at the inaccuracies in the reports of aviation matters recently. The coverage of the BA777 incident, the 'man on runway' incident and now this. Sky news should be ashamed of their coverage. BBC slightly better.
The 'experts/consultants' have been awful and as for the eye witness reports.... 
The whole thing is awful.
I'm still trying to account for some mates who are also in the Citation fraternity.
RIP
I am fuming at the inaccuracies in the reports of aviation matters recently. The coverage of the BA777 incident, the 'man on runway' incident and now this. Sky news should be ashamed of their coverage. BBC slightly better.
The 'experts/consultants' have been awful and as for the eye witness reports....
The whole thing is awful.
I'm still trying to account for some mates who are also in the Citation fraternity.
RIP
The vast majority of those watching TV news will never fly or be flown in a bizjet. Therefore, they are far more concerned about perceived dangers from aircraft causing ground fatalities, however irrational that may be.
Human nature I'm afraid. You really shouldn't be surprised when the media target their news at 99.9% of their audience. Viewing figures are enhanced by running sensationalist uninformed "eye witness" stories, factual reporting is seldom practised these days.
Human nature I'm afraid. You really shouldn't be surprised when the media target their news at 99.9% of their audience. Viewing figures are enhanced by running sensationalist uninformed "eye witness" stories, factual reporting is seldom practised these days.
First of all my condolences to all the families who lost someone.
As for all the people who complain about the sound and the larger aircraft, on the TV and in the press I wonder HOW MANY of them were only too pleased to get on a large jet and go on their hol's??? I bet they don't complain about the sound/noise then 
As for all the people who complain about the sound and the larger aircraft, on the TV and in the press I wonder HOW MANY of them were only too pleased to get on a large jet and go on their hol's??? I bet they don't complain about the sound/noise then
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It's now common knowledge that one of the Pax was racing driver and former BTCC hero David Leslie. Very sad news especially for those of us who followed the glory years of the BTCC.
My condolences to all friends, family and colleagues to all those who lost their lives today.
1953 - 2008
My condolences to all friends, family and colleagues to all those who lost their lives today.
1953 - 2008