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Green Acres,
Very interesting post! I as well am a EJME pilot and find a lot of your post totally BS! Whose rear end is your nose firmly implanted?! Let me guess, HA would be the initials?
Regarding HA and his experience. I know several ex-EJ Denmark pilots and they say that he flew a King Air years ago with the company. How can you say that he has more experience than professional pilots who are currently flying Lear Jets, RJ's and Challengers? Foolish comment I must say. I have been flying for 15 years now and have a lot more experience than he does but guess this does not count in your world.
Along with your extensive benefits, which are the same that most every other flight ops in the world gets BTW, you get to airline home ECONOMY class! This is one of the reasons why the aircraft manager was let go from what we hear, that he demanded that the Challenger crew be flown home on Business Class, and the office pukes (the ones pocketing the large bonus's while sleeping in their own beds every night) would see their bonus reduced over it, so they fired the pilot to end this. If this happened then the other pilots would have wanted this (yes we would love to have this) so it had to be stopped. BTW, this is one of the reason why many pilots refuse to work for EJME is that they do not want to fly up to 20 hours in economy twice a month! Wake up! EJME is not going to get the "cream of the crop" as long as they continue to do this!
Pls, stop giving us this "company credit card and phone chip" BS. This is standard practice in EVERY flight ops. Its not a benefit, its standard business practice. 5 star hotels huh? How many hours and years experience do you have? Green Acres is a good name I guess. Next time Richard in ops calls and puts you in a cheap POS hotel in Mumbai at 0100 in the morning, please remember this comment. They have done this to us many times, so please stop telling lies to everyone. Long term stability? How long have you been in aviation? There is no stability in aviation, so you must not have been a pilot for very long!
Flying without a MEL? Yes, I have done that with EJME before! Call me a liar and lets bet 100,000 Euro's on it, because I can prove it! Who has final authority? The mechanic does because you and I are worthless until the aircraft has been signed off and released by the mechanic!
How about the Lear 60 with the illegal cabinet installed and 30 kilo statue glued to the top by the owner? What would happen if there was an accident and this statue breaks loose and comes forward and injured or kills a pilot? When the pilots asked if it was legal the maintenance guys would not answer them. It was finally pulled out after flying for 6 months when one of the crews refused to fly the plane until it could be proven that it was legal. How about this Green Acres? EJME risked the licenses and careers of all the flight crews on this plane by illegally looking the other way while handing the jet to their crews and telling them to fly it! Wonderful company BTW.
You are so FOS with the "He never explained what happened to owner or cabin crew" comment. The pilot in question explained everything to the owner and cabin crew as soon as they got on the ground. I have heard this from 3 different people who were on the jet at the time it happened. Are you calling 3 EJME crew members liars? As far as taking the owner away, thats a new one, have never heard that.
" Execujet is good company with good people. We just have to make sure we do not hire people like yourself." What about me? I am working here and see the same (and more) things that CD and 360 are talking about. You have your nose so far up HA and the rest of the managers rear end that you cannot see if its IFR or VFR. Hope you grow up someday and realize what is going on in the world. EJME is a descent place to work but it has some problems that are going to really hurt it if not corrected and soon.
Vertigo,
Believe that you must be trapped in your own user name.
The ACASS pilots tell me that the Captains are being paid $8.5-$13k a month. I personally know several flight ops managers and they tell me that ACASS is charging $32-35k a month for a Captain right now. That makes the profit around $24,000 a month, not the 80-100% you mentioned.
Believe that the case with the "informal ramp check" is more a case of an inflated ego than someone who really cares about his job.
" - 1 Captain dismissed. Controversially. Litigation pending? No formal complaints from rest of crew contingent." Have you ever thought that this is because EVERYONE liked and respected the gent? He did an excellent job and there was no reason to let him go. There is a lot more to be told here and the office made up a reason to get rid of him.
" - 1 Case of suspected late drinking that was correctly reported and no clear evidence of unfair treatment of the subject." Sorry but you do not report someone due to suspicions, you report them when you are sure that there is a violation and you have proof. Doing this to someone's career is not right. This action was not correct and the person doing the reporting apologised later from what I heard. Are you a flight crew member? You sure sound like someone in the office and not flight crew.
"The spirit of what PPrune used to be like?" You mean that you want to live in the past and not the present? EJME is a fair place to work but please do not blow smoke up people's skirts. This place has big problems and until its corrected by getting a good CP who actually flies an airplane and not a desk, its going to continue to spiral downwards. The last two CP's left the position because they were not backed by the company and people like HA kept going around them, which will never work. Until this stops it will never change.
My question is, you say that you know people inside EJME. You seem to get a lot of info from these people and you say that do not even work there. Why is it that you are the "Champion of EJME" all of a sudden, especially with so few posts. Sure feels like a member of EJME management posting in the blind.
360,
Totally agree with your (and CD's) comments and would love to see a full investigation of EJME. Its one thing for a member of management to take over the CP position for a month or two but no longer, especially when the person who is now in charge cannot legally hold that position, its not correct. HA does not have a medical nor current ATPL so as we understand it he cannot hold the CP position.
We keep being told that a new CP has been hired and is "on the way here." Thats pure BS as we keep being told this story and it does not take forever to give your notice and go to a new company. Something else is going on here.
FT
Very interesting post! I as well am a EJME pilot and find a lot of your post totally BS! Whose rear end is your nose firmly implanted?! Let me guess, HA would be the initials?
Regarding HA and his experience. I know several ex-EJ Denmark pilots and they say that he flew a King Air years ago with the company. How can you say that he has more experience than professional pilots who are currently flying Lear Jets, RJ's and Challengers? Foolish comment I must say. I have been flying for 15 years now and have a lot more experience than he does but guess this does not count in your world.
Along with your extensive benefits, which are the same that most every other flight ops in the world gets BTW, you get to airline home ECONOMY class! This is one of the reasons why the aircraft manager was let go from what we hear, that he demanded that the Challenger crew be flown home on Business Class, and the office pukes (the ones pocketing the large bonus's while sleeping in their own beds every night) would see their bonus reduced over it, so they fired the pilot to end this. If this happened then the other pilots would have wanted this (yes we would love to have this) so it had to be stopped. BTW, this is one of the reason why many pilots refuse to work for EJME is that they do not want to fly up to 20 hours in economy twice a month! Wake up! EJME is not going to get the "cream of the crop" as long as they continue to do this!
Pls, stop giving us this "company credit card and phone chip" BS. This is standard practice in EVERY flight ops. Its not a benefit, its standard business practice. 5 star hotels huh? How many hours and years experience do you have? Green Acres is a good name I guess. Next time Richard in ops calls and puts you in a cheap POS hotel in Mumbai at 0100 in the morning, please remember this comment. They have done this to us many times, so please stop telling lies to everyone. Long term stability? How long have you been in aviation? There is no stability in aviation, so you must not have been a pilot for very long!
Flying without a MEL? Yes, I have done that with EJME before! Call me a liar and lets bet 100,000 Euro's on it, because I can prove it! Who has final authority? The mechanic does because you and I are worthless until the aircraft has been signed off and released by the mechanic!
How about the Lear 60 with the illegal cabinet installed and 30 kilo statue glued to the top by the owner? What would happen if there was an accident and this statue breaks loose and comes forward and injured or kills a pilot? When the pilots asked if it was legal the maintenance guys would not answer them. It was finally pulled out after flying for 6 months when one of the crews refused to fly the plane until it could be proven that it was legal. How about this Green Acres? EJME risked the licenses and careers of all the flight crews on this plane by illegally looking the other way while handing the jet to their crews and telling them to fly it! Wonderful company BTW.
You are so FOS with the "He never explained what happened to owner or cabin crew" comment. The pilot in question explained everything to the owner and cabin crew as soon as they got on the ground. I have heard this from 3 different people who were on the jet at the time it happened. Are you calling 3 EJME crew members liars? As far as taking the owner away, thats a new one, have never heard that.
" Execujet is good company with good people. We just have to make sure we do not hire people like yourself." What about me? I am working here and see the same (and more) things that CD and 360 are talking about. You have your nose so far up HA and the rest of the managers rear end that you cannot see if its IFR or VFR. Hope you grow up someday and realize what is going on in the world. EJME is a descent place to work but it has some problems that are going to really hurt it if not corrected and soon.
Vertigo,
Believe that you must be trapped in your own user name.
The ACASS pilots tell me that the Captains are being paid $8.5-$13k a month. I personally know several flight ops managers and they tell me that ACASS is charging $32-35k a month for a Captain right now. That makes the profit around $24,000 a month, not the 80-100% you mentioned.
Believe that the case with the "informal ramp check" is more a case of an inflated ego than someone who really cares about his job.
" - 1 Captain dismissed. Controversially. Litigation pending? No formal complaints from rest of crew contingent." Have you ever thought that this is because EVERYONE liked and respected the gent? He did an excellent job and there was no reason to let him go. There is a lot more to be told here and the office made up a reason to get rid of him.
" - 1 Case of suspected late drinking that was correctly reported and no clear evidence of unfair treatment of the subject." Sorry but you do not report someone due to suspicions, you report them when you are sure that there is a violation and you have proof. Doing this to someone's career is not right. This action was not correct and the person doing the reporting apologised later from what I heard. Are you a flight crew member? You sure sound like someone in the office and not flight crew.
"The spirit of what PPrune used to be like?" You mean that you want to live in the past and not the present? EJME is a fair place to work but please do not blow smoke up people's skirts. This place has big problems and until its corrected by getting a good CP who actually flies an airplane and not a desk, its going to continue to spiral downwards. The last two CP's left the position because they were not backed by the company and people like HA kept going around them, which will never work. Until this stops it will never change.
My question is, you say that you know people inside EJME. You seem to get a lot of info from these people and you say that do not even work there. Why is it that you are the "Champion of EJME" all of a sudden, especially with so few posts. Sure feels like a member of EJME management posting in the blind.
360,
Totally agree with your (and CD's) comments and would love to see a full investigation of EJME. Its one thing for a member of management to take over the CP position for a month or two but no longer, especially when the person who is now in charge cannot legally hold that position, its not correct. HA does not have a medical nor current ATPL so as we understand it he cannot hold the CP position.
We keep being told that a new CP has been hired and is "on the way here." Thats pure BS as we keep being told this story and it does not take forever to give your notice and go to a new company. Something else is going on here.
FT
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Green Acres,
I don't know what conditions you are on because I don't know what your take home pay is. Sure it is none of my business. Your mother maybe paying EJME to keep you there for all I know.
I don't know what conditions you are on because I don't know what your take home pay is. Sure it is none of my business. Your mother maybe paying EJME to keep you there for all I know.
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EJME
EJME has been having these problems for years and it is now exacerbated by their tremendous growth.
The point that everyone seems to be missing in my opinion, is that all of these problems are a direct result of poor management at the upper echelons of EJME. For example, it is not fair to blame HA because HA's bosses should not have allowed him to assume the acting position of Chief Pilot. At the end of the day all of these events are happening on one guy's watch, the ultimate authority at EJME.
An experienced and strong Chief Pilot is needed at EJME, again. They have had this in the past but he was not supported by upper management and resigned his position. The upper management at EJME do not to my knowledge have a strong operations background so hopefully they will find an individual with this experience and trust and support him to a point of not micro-managing or interfering with him.
As an individual that has knowledge of EJME I might also suggest that they focus a bit more on customer service and not get caught up in this more is better attitude. It would be better in my mind to manage 5 airplanes properly than 10 airplanes improperly, less your reputation suffer. If you go form 5 to 10 airplanes then staff for the expansion. For example, I know from personal experience that the EJME maintenence department is very short staffed.
In addition, it is definitely shocking to see 5 plus ACASS pilots at the JW Marriot at any given time contracted to EJME (at least one that did not fly for a month). These excessive costs are passed on to the owner which is wrong. If EJME would just offer industry average salaries and benefits, such as business class travel they would save considerable money for the owners. It is almost always cheaper to spend the money for retention than for replacement.
I truly feel that EJME has already capitalized on an excellent opportunity in this expanding market and I hope that they continue to shine but they will only do so at the strength of their people.
The point that everyone seems to be missing in my opinion, is that all of these problems are a direct result of poor management at the upper echelons of EJME. For example, it is not fair to blame HA because HA's bosses should not have allowed him to assume the acting position of Chief Pilot. At the end of the day all of these events are happening on one guy's watch, the ultimate authority at EJME.
An experienced and strong Chief Pilot is needed at EJME, again. They have had this in the past but he was not supported by upper management and resigned his position. The upper management at EJME do not to my knowledge have a strong operations background so hopefully they will find an individual with this experience and trust and support him to a point of not micro-managing or interfering with him.
As an individual that has knowledge of EJME I might also suggest that they focus a bit more on customer service and not get caught up in this more is better attitude. It would be better in my mind to manage 5 airplanes properly than 10 airplanes improperly, less your reputation suffer. If you go form 5 to 10 airplanes then staff for the expansion. For example, I know from personal experience that the EJME maintenence department is very short staffed.
In addition, it is definitely shocking to see 5 plus ACASS pilots at the JW Marriot at any given time contracted to EJME (at least one that did not fly for a month). These excessive costs are passed on to the owner which is wrong. If EJME would just offer industry average salaries and benefits, such as business class travel they would save considerable money for the owners. It is almost always cheaper to spend the money for retention than for replacement.
I truly feel that EJME has already capitalized on an excellent opportunity in this expanding market and I hope that they continue to shine but they will only do so at the strength of their people.
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Sohat,
Very good post and I lean towards agreeing with most of what you said.
"For example, I know from personal experience that the EJME maintenence department is very short staffed."
Do you know that its about to get much worse in this department? I just heard a rumour that one of the top EJME engineers has been hired to replace the manager for the Indian gent who owns the RJ & 605 that the company manages.
Evidently the old aviation dept manager was in a car versus bike accident and is paralyzed from the waist down, so they had to find someone to take this over. Hiring someone from EJME to fill this slot was not the best option IMHO but evidently its already been done and he leaves the company in a month or less, leaving EJME in an even worse condition in the maintenance department.
Very good post and I lean towards agreeing with most of what you said.
"For example, I know from personal experience that the EJME maintenence department is very short staffed."
Do you know that its about to get much worse in this department? I just heard a rumour that one of the top EJME engineers has been hired to replace the manager for the Indian gent who owns the RJ & 605 that the company manages.
Evidently the old aviation dept manager was in a car versus bike accident and is paralyzed from the waist down, so they had to find someone to take this over. Hiring someone from EJME to fill this slot was not the best option IMHO but evidently its already been done and he leaves the company in a month or less, leaving EJME in an even worse condition in the maintenance department.
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FlatTwin sounds like you are a very p***off pilot working for EJME I can Give a very simple answer to your problem(PACK UP AND LEAVE) why the Hell are you still here?
GS
p.s. Don't get me started on that guy that was fired
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p.s. Don't get me started on that guy that was fired
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Please, if you know why he was fired, let us know. Letting someone go for a trumped up reason is not fair, and that is what EJME did with this guy. The companies lying to everyone about his being let go for something that happened almost 3 months ago is not fair. Every pilot I have run into at work said that he was very nice to work and fly with, so if you know otherwise post it.
Pissed off? Well, when someone screws with your future in a place that used to be a lot better place to work at, guess you could say that!
FT
Pissed off? Well, when someone screws with your future in a place that used to be a lot better place to work at, guess you could say that!
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I dont know why your friend was fired BUT i can tell you this: with the Pilot market being the way it is now(no 604/605 pilots) no company can Afford to loose one!! he must have done somthing to really piss them off.
To you he might seem like a nice guy to have a few beers with at the Marriott bar BUt none of us will know what that guy is like to fly
With!!
Don,t know how long you have been working for them but i have been at EJME for almost 5 years now and never seen them take action like that Without a good reason to back it up with.
So before ypou start calling people names go back to your friend and ask Him what he really did.
I dont know why your friend was fired BUT i can tell you this: with the Pilot market being the way it is now(no 604/605 pilots) no company can Afford to loose one!! he must have done somthing to really piss them off.
To you he might seem like a nice guy to have a few beers with at the Marriott bar BUt none of us will know what that guy is like to fly
With!!
Don,t know how long you have been working for them but i have been at EJME for almost 5 years now and never seen them take action like that Without a good reason to back it up with.
So before ypou start calling people names go back to your friend and ask Him what he really did.
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First off, he was not my friend. I fly a different airplane than the one he was flying. I had seen him in the office, thats it.
You sounded like you knew everything about what happened and now nothing? Why so cocksure of yourself and what happened and now you will not talk about it?
Again I did not fly the airplane he does but firing someone for something that happened almost 3 months ago is not right. From what I have heard UAE law states that it has to happen with 2-4 weeks.
They might have had good reason in the past but it sure looks like they mucked it up this time.
You sounded like you knew everything about what happened and now nothing? Why so cocksure of yourself and what happened and now you will not talk about it?
Again I did not fly the airplane he does but firing someone for something that happened almost 3 months ago is not right. From what I have heard UAE law states that it has to happen with 2-4 weeks.
They might have had good reason in the past but it sure looks like they mucked it up this time.
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Anyone in their right mind who already works with EJME would not want the position is probably the reason!
Why did they wait for 3-4 months to start looking and put an advertisment out there? Wonder if this thread and someone's comment of an investigation started something?
Why did they wait for 3-4 months to start looking and put an advertisment out there? Wonder if this thread and someone's comment of an investigation started something?
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are they still looking for CP
I know three guys who applied, and were promised that they were well qualified.................but no follow up...............
never mind...............glf
never mind...............glf
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The problem and solution here still revolves around the competence of management, specifically HA and RL. Although all of our backgrounds have been scrutinized by them, we have NO IDEA what THEIR qualifications are, pro or con. Although we all want to believe that the people bounding us into the heavens know their stuff, some incredibly stupid decisions to come out of that office in the past few months. Some have been covered here and some have not....
My favorite so far (that has not been mentioned here) was the Lear 60 crew tasked for a Basra trip by HA two weeks after the British pulled out! CNN reported that the city was being overrun by rebels as dispatch was preparing the flight plan.......
We all have our horror stories. The point is if we no confidence in these guys, we should do something about it. To be proactive, I propose to start a fund (nevermind, I'll fund it myself) to hire an investigation company to verify HA's credentials, both here and his motherland. Then do the same with RL.
If they can pass the same muster we have to, then all the better. If not, let's hand over the documents to higher management and see what happens.
My favorite so far (that has not been mentioned here) was the Lear 60 crew tasked for a Basra trip by HA two weeks after the British pulled out! CNN reported that the city was being overrun by rebels as dispatch was preparing the flight plan.......
We all have our horror stories. The point is if we no confidence in these guys, we should do something about it. To be proactive, I propose to start a fund (nevermind, I'll fund it myself) to hire an investigation company to verify HA's credentials, both here and his motherland. Then do the same with RL.
If they can pass the same muster we have to, then all the better. If not, let's hand over the documents to higher management and see what happens.
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OH that is really ugly indeed. Sounds like you are "bound" by imbeciles.
Depending on the mother land, it should not be too difficult to get a back ground check carried out quiet quickly.
Depending on the mother land, it should not be too difficult to get a back ground check carried out quiet quickly.
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Bad Taste
I must say, some of these posts are in bad taste and reflect negatively on crew as well as company.
To those that have a problem with the company that you work for, be it ExecuJet ME or any other; if it is as bad as you say - LEAVE.
If not, the least that you can do is to behave as professional as you THINK you are.
To be honest, my impression of you guys after what I have read - there is no way I will put my family on a plane crewed by you lot...
I really hope that I do not run into any of you guys, in the cockpit, because it must be a really ****ty place to be...
To those that have a problem with the company that you work for, be it ExecuJet ME or any other; if it is as bad as you say - LEAVE.
If not, the least that you can do is to behave as professional as you THINK you are.
To be honest, my impression of you guys after what I have read - there is no way I will put my family on a plane crewed by you lot...
I really hope that I do not run into any of you guys, in the cockpit, because it must be a really ****ty place to be...
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Only dreaming of getting there (FL510 that is). I'm way down in the dumps, I mean bumps; at least most of the time.
Hope to be given the opportunity though, one day.
Only dreaming of getting there (FL510 that is). I'm way down in the dumps, I mean bumps; at least most of the time.
Hope to be given the opportunity though, one day.
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competence of HA
As promised, a background investigation had begun on XX. To date, the following has been uncovered from those who know him and worked with him:
He spent 10 years as a Copenhagen cop and decided aviation was the career for him. He went to flight school and eventually obtained a commercial/instrument license with a multi-engine rating. Queries to the CAA in Denmark have not been able to verify that so far but we know from those that worked with him then that he did fly as a first officer only for 400 hours. Never a captain.
The disconcerting part is that the GCA mandates that individuals may not be CP postholders unless they hold a type rating and are current on at least one aircraft in the fleet.
Any XX defenders out there care to explain that? GA or Vert?
He spent 10 years as a Copenhagen cop and decided aviation was the career for him. He went to flight school and eventually obtained a commercial/instrument license with a multi-engine rating. Queries to the CAA in Denmark have not been able to verify that so far but we know from those that worked with him then that he did fly as a first officer only for 400 hours. Never a captain.
The disconcerting part is that the GCA mandates that individuals may not be CP postholders unless they hold a type rating and are current on at least one aircraft in the fleet.
Any XX defenders out there care to explain that? GA or Vert?
