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Grow up idiot.
Keep throwing those sticks though, if you like. They're bouncing off me. Your immensely mature dialogue having the same effect.
P.s Your understanding of my post was incorrect...I mentioned that NJE aircraft operations not governed by USA. OBVIOUSLY the President has a say in various company matters. That is what Presidents do. He does not, however, draw up rosters and Ops Manuals.
Grow up idiot.
Keep throwing those sticks though, if you like. They're bouncing off me. Your immensely mature dialogue having the same effect.
P.s Your understanding of my post was incorrect...I mentioned that NJE aircraft operations not governed by USA. OBVIOUSLY the President has a say in various company matters. That is what Presidents do. He does not, however, draw up rosters and Ops Manuals.
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INCA,
I see you have started the name calling, open your eyes and see your employers for what they are.
"Although affiliated with NetJets USA, they have no direct control over our operations. "
They have direct control, you are wrong in making that statement.
I see you have started the name calling, open your eyes and see your employers for what they are.
"Although affiliated with NetJets USA, they have no direct control over our operations. "
They have direct control, you are wrong in making that statement.
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Mike well done – I personally find it increasingly hard to raise the energy to refute any of the rubbish that appears on these NJE threads.
Pprune Towers – I think that as a moderator it would be better to let others throw the rocks. Would it not be more appropriate for you to post anonymously if you wish to censure a particular company? Mike’s analogy seems fair.
Pprune Towers – I think that as a moderator it would be better to let others throw the rocks. Would it not be more appropriate for you to post anonymously if you wish to censure a particular company? Mike’s analogy seems fair.
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Bravo for another concise post.
Long live Pprune and it's threads. Fantastic fun this cranial jousting.
I'm sure that you like me have noticed that the mudslinging children NEVER answer any questions raised by us or the other pro NJE "contract loser-pilots". Quite a valuable pointer to their collective intelligence, wouldn't you say??
Have to say that I don't include 4HP in that group as at least he voices his opinion without resorting to name calling and immaturity.
Anyway, ignorance is bliss etc......
Bravo for another concise post.
Long live Pprune and it's threads. Fantastic fun this cranial jousting.
I'm sure that you like me have noticed that the mudslinging children NEVER answer any questions raised by us or the other pro NJE "contract loser-pilots". Quite a valuable pointer to their collective intelligence, wouldn't you say??
Have to say that I don't include 4HP in that group as at least he voices his opinion without resorting to name calling and immaturity.
Anyway, ignorance is bliss etc......
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"Pprune Towers – I think that as a moderator it would be better to let others throw the rocks. Would it not be more appropriate for you to post anonymously if you wish to censure a particular company? Mike’s analogy seems fair."
I echo that comment. Pprune Towers should be neutral. I have met a number of NJE crews in my work and have never heard anything bad about NJE from them. And no I do not work for them (well not directly!)
I suggest that Pprune Towers "moderates". After all some of his comments could cause our beloved board more problems than non-Pprune "staff" in the closed Ryanair thread. Isn't it Danny's argument that comments posted are not forum policy but individuals views, what about a disclaimer for immoderate moderators?
I echo that comment. Pprune Towers should be neutral. I have met a number of NJE crews in my work and have never heard anything bad about NJE from them. And no I do not work for them (well not directly!)
I suggest that Pprune Towers "moderates". After all some of his comments could cause our beloved board more problems than non-Pprune "staff" in the closed Ryanair thread. Isn't it Danny's argument that comments posted are not forum policy but individuals views, what about a disclaimer for immoderate moderators?
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Mike,
Thank you for your replies. Yes, Japan in a GV would be fantastic but I am sure I would have to wait a long time for that to happen. NJE sounds like a great place to be to me. Perhaps it is not such a great place for some people, but flying great bizjets to a wide variety of destinations and having a somewhat reliable schedule sounds like a good situation.
I'm sold!
Thank you for your replies. Yes, Japan in a GV would be fantastic but I am sure I would have to wait a long time for that to happen. NJE sounds like a great place to be to me. Perhaps it is not such a great place for some people, but flying great bizjets to a wide variety of destinations and having a somewhat reliable schedule sounds like a good situation.
I'm sold!
Kopeloi.
Despite asking twice I see, no-one, least of all our dear friend Mike wants to answer. Therefore I will.
No. You do not have a contract with Netjets, you have a contract with a bank in the Cayman Islands, or Bermuda, or Isle of Man, or anywhere else they can put you offshore and away from Portugal!
Why do you suppose this is?
So who exactly are you employed by? A Bank in the Cayman islands? Oh, it's payday. And your money comes from Switzerland. Which is where another company that owns the aircraft live, not Netjets, not Portugal. But you work for a Portuguese company right? Paying Portuguese taxes or your own local taxes?
Arn't we all?
The term "time bomb" springs to mind.
Hope that answers your question.
Despite asking twice I see, no-one, least of all our dear friend Mike wants to answer. Therefore I will.
No. You do not have a contract with Netjets, you have a contract with a bank in the Cayman Islands, or Bermuda, or Isle of Man, or anywhere else they can put you offshore and away from Portugal!
Why do you suppose this is?
So who exactly are you employed by? A Bank in the Cayman islands? Oh, it's payday. And your money comes from Switzerland. Which is where another company that owns the aircraft live, not Netjets, not Portugal. But you work for a Portuguese company right? Paying Portuguese taxes or your own local taxes?
Arn't we all?The term "time bomb" springs to mind.
Hope that answers your question.
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That's exactly what I was afraid of. You are right, it is a time bomb! Unreal, 2004 and living and working in EU without any formal setup.
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timebomb??? This is the only AAA rated aviation company in the world. Just look for the word Warren Buffet on the internet and you will find out that he also owns Flight Safety...
I used to be working for RYR and they bought a good British company under british rule (KLm Uk) and were able to screw crews out of their last penny... What I am trying to say is that it it is not what it seems that is important but why it is constructed that way. So do your research on that!
Most of KLM it's widebody aircraft are owned by Japanese companies.. why: tax breaks! The exact reason for Netjets to put their aircraft in Swiss or the guys with the CL604 to open a Delaware company in the US while the aircraft is Germany based!
On the tax base I know of many pilots who want to move their taxbase away from shore. The pilots at KLM tried (well some of them) to get paid abroad but the tax man stopped them because they had no overseas base and the T&G's in Shannon did not count (they seriously tried this to become Ireland "based"). The main attraction for me to apply was that as they have no fixed base I did not have to pay the 52% income tax for the Netherlands while living there and do more than 50% of my work abroad!
So again, do your home work please...
timebomb??? This is the only AAA rated aviation company in the world. Just look for the word Warren Buffet on the internet and you will find out that he also owns Flight Safety...
I used to be working for RYR and they bought a good British company under british rule (KLm Uk) and were able to screw crews out of their last penny... What I am trying to say is that it it is not what it seems that is important but why it is constructed that way. So do your research on that!
Most of KLM it's widebody aircraft are owned by Japanese companies.. why: tax breaks! The exact reason for Netjets to put their aircraft in Swiss or the guys with the CL604 to open a Delaware company in the US while the aircraft is Germany based!
On the tax base I know of many pilots who want to move their taxbase away from shore. The pilots at KLM tried (well some of them) to get paid abroad but the tax man stopped them because they had no overseas base and the T&G's in Shannon did not count (they seriously tried this to become Ireland "based"). The main attraction for me to apply was that as they have no fixed base I did not have to pay the 52% income tax for the Netherlands while living there and do more than 50% of my work abroad!
So again, do your home work please...
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AAA ?
We can all sleep safely in our beds knowing that the American Automobile Assosiation has given this unique accolade to this company. It has also given that rating to several washing machines.........
and as for owning Flight Safety, well, that keeps it all nicely in house doesn't it ?
Contracts based in unusual parts of the world, making it very difficult to take action against the other party, now why do you think it is felt necessary to do that ?
The phrase not worth the the paper........ springs to mind.
and as for owning Flight Safety, well, that keeps it all nicely in house doesn't it ?
Contracts based in unusual parts of the world, making it very difficult to take action against the other party, now why do you think it is felt necessary to do that ?
The phrase not worth the the paper........ springs to mind.
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justwheny................ you have a major chip on your shoulder sir. Four posts, all bitter & twisted. I'm not taking sides but I'll humor your ignorance on AAA ratings - plug AAA & rate or ratings into Google or another search engine & get an education.
And anymore whinging and whining without substantiation will result in your loss of privileges.
4HP
And anymore whinging and whining without substantiation will result in your loss of privileges.
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thank you sir
My opinions, as well as yours are, sir, are equally valid, I would suggest. The threat of losing my privileges, leaves me in awe of your power.
This forum is for rumour, even some humour, not a forum for heavy handed threatening bullying statements from piqued moderators.
Nothing I have contributed to this thread is untrue. Whinging, no, stating what I know to be true, yes.
As your questioning my education, you certainly have absloutely no right to do that.
Do your job, and stop the bullying tactics.
This forum is for rumour, even some humour, not a forum for heavy handed threatening bullying statements from piqued moderators.
Nothing I have contributed to this thread is untrue. Whinging, no, stating what I know to be true, yes.
As your questioning my education, you certainly have absloutely no right to do that.
Do your job, and stop the bullying tactics.
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Seven weeks and approaching 5 pages from LVL CHG's original posting......
He asked a few straight forward enough questions.
IMHO he got his answers and certainly a few he didn't ask for!
Any chance this topic might fade away as it is rapidly becoming as tiresome as the last one on NJE?
He asked a few straight forward enough questions.
IMHO he got his answers and certainly a few he didn't ask for!
Any chance this topic might fade away as it is rapidly becoming as tiresome as the last one on NJE?
for me at NJE. 
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Type On Licence ?
Can some well informed person tell me if having one of Netjets " Light Types" on your licence makes any difference these days with regard to gaining employment with them....or not ?
( Loads of hours with Corporate & Airline background, but none of their types on my licence. I have made a few enquiries & am getting slightly conflicting feedback).
Thanks In Anticipation.
( Loads of hours with Corporate & Airline background, but none of their types on my licence. I have made a few enquiries & am getting slightly conflicting feedback).
Thanks In Anticipation.
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Not 100% well informed because I resigned a while ago but I believe they still recruit the person/background and not the rating.
There's been some crap on this thread and there's been some painful truths. I was in the comapny and I'm not bitter and twisted but here are some home truths:
Then - Contract originated from Caymen Islands based on Isle of Man contract law (ie little, or no, worker protection)
Now - Solid UK contract
Then - No BALPA/Union support
Now - BALPA roster agreement and support
Then - 14 days off per year (for first 2 years)
Now - 35 days off PLUS 8 days bank holiday plus day off either side of leave taken.
Then - Scheduling messing around with FTL's
Now - No messing around as BALPA would be in like a rat up a drainpipe
Then - Flying brand new well equipped aircraft BUT Fleet Manager had to be consulted before defects put in the tech log.
Now - Flying brand new aircraft and the Captain decides what to put in the tech log and when.
Then - Flying to loads of different airfields IFR/VFR but with v.little or no time off
Now - Fly to only 13 destinations on three continents but get up to 3 days off
Then - Tick in the box training/recurrent
Now - Professionally conducted trainig - full stop
Then - worked with capable but stressed out pilots
Now - work with capable and relaxed pilots
Any regrets? You must be joking!
Not 100% well informed because I resigned a while ago but I believe they still recruit the person/background and not the rating.
There's been some crap on this thread and there's been some painful truths. I was in the comapny and I'm not bitter and twisted but here are some home truths:
Then - Contract originated from Caymen Islands based on Isle of Man contract law (ie little, or no, worker protection)
Now - Solid UK contract
Then - No BALPA/Union support
Now - BALPA roster agreement and support
Then - 14 days off per year (for first 2 years)
Now - 35 days off PLUS 8 days bank holiday plus day off either side of leave taken.
Then - Scheduling messing around with FTL's
Now - No messing around as BALPA would be in like a rat up a drainpipe
Then - Flying brand new well equipped aircraft BUT Fleet Manager had to be consulted before defects put in the tech log.
Now - Flying brand new aircraft and the Captain decides what to put in the tech log and when.
Then - Flying to loads of different airfields IFR/VFR but with v.little or no time off
Now - Fly to only 13 destinations on three continents but get up to 3 days off
Then - Tick in the box training/recurrent
Now - Professionally conducted trainig - full stop
Then - worked with capable but stressed out pilots
Now - work with capable and relaxed pilots
Any regrets? You must be joking!