Netjets Europe - Positive Aspects of the Job
 

Can those pilots who fly for Netjets Europe talk about some of the postive aspects of their job?

I know that you get a lot of inherent variety due to the lack of scheduled routes but I wonder about aspects like:

1. Hard days off per month

2. 1st year pay for newhires

3. Aircraft type hired into and ability to move to other aircraft (after how many years) - how long before you can bid the Gulfstream IV or V as Capt or FO?

4. Average sectors per day vs. sit time at FBOs

5. Most frequent European destinations

If you have previously flown for the airlines, how do you view your Netjets position vs. your previous airline experience? How do you like the aircraft you are flying now?


Cheers

No, I didn't think there were any positive aspects to the job. The non replies say it all!!

You can also see it on the way that pilots are happy for the job and don´t care to start again a new nonsense thread about NJE...
Nikolai

Hi LVL CHG
A few answers to some of your questions:
1 - 18 on, 12 off
2- new hire pay: 40500 euro a year minimum
3- first aircraft type:Citation b or xl,Hawker or F2000 ;it depends on the needs
4- 3 to 4 legs a day on average
5- Most frequent destinations in the UK, France,
Hope it will help.
Bye.

FKA and Kopeloi,

You sound bitter - probably because you were not hired by NJE.... This is an information board - I can ask this question and you don't have to waste our time with your nonsensical remarks.

Thanks French Clover. Any other Netjets Europe pilots out there want to share their "positive" impressions of the job? What do you like about it personally and do you like the aircraft you fly?

Cheers

Dear LVL CHG,
I assume that you haven´t understood my reply to FKA. I was saying that as far I know pilots are generally happy for they jobs with NJE. No bitternes... Neither I am or was even ever going to work with NJE but I do have lot of friends there. All of them indicate that they are satisfied for the job and company and flying modern jet fleet.
I am flying a private jet and also happy for my job as it is, wonder why you thought that I was bitter?
I think that only the fellows not happy for one or other reason will write the replies like we seen on previous NJE threads , that was a reason for my post.
Life is Good!
Nikolai:ok:

Tried to find the European web site but unsuccesful.
Do I have to apply to the US site or anyone can help me with an e-mail address in EU?
Pls,
tks,
cheers,
Bugs Bunny

Monica Gunther is the crew recruitment manager. Best email address that I know of is:

[email protected]


good luck

ps email adress is in portugal where personal dept. is located

sais it all:

http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthr...hlight=netjets

also search for older threats on the topic.
Not much if any has improved.

posted 3rd April 2004 01:00
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1."The spirited defence of the company by several individuals is laudable, ( and is probably a company requirement when the printout is taken in to the upper echalon office is LIS for the pat on the head ! ) but in the end they may come to understand how this company operates, like many others before them"

2."Pilots are generally unhappy with items like duty times and upgrade policy"

3."The problem facing all the NJE cheerleaders here is their resolute refusal page after page after page to answer any question in a straight forward manner. This is actually a polite way of saying ducking, diving and consistently, pointedly and egregiously obscuring the truth."

4."Let's sum it up. NJE got out of the FTL's required by all other AOC operators in extremely mysterious circumstances. Working for NJE is actually a contract job with no employment law comeback."

5."ANY SANE, experienced aviator would be a fool to take the blandishments offered by supposed Net Jet employees as anything other than rose tinted honeymoon whisperings or the ravings of the terminally ambitious."

6."Finally, we at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline."

7."FTL's as I said at the outset are a matter of public record. They and the contracts are the dirty little secret missing from all these months of enquiries"

8."It really makes you wonder at the hostility consistently bandied around at those that left the company. I strongly suggest those considering applying take an hour our so to reread every single word published in the last 6 months. Not one word has been edited and the lack of honesty from NJE employees."

9."We at the Towers have to make it utterly clear the NJE are facing contract disputes taken to law at a rate a magnitude greater than we have ever seen at any airline."

PPRuNe Towers
Dep Chief PPRuNe Pilot

Cambioso(sounds like a type of ripe cheese)

The 'Threads' found above will provide the powers that be, including all JAA OPS Authorities and Operators, who view this site on a daily basis,the sufficient material to 'Stitch' together(couldn't resist the pun) a quilt which will eventually smother and then reveal all the 'dirty little secrets', which keeps your outfit afloat through the power of the 'backhander'. .......there is always alittle extra to made on the side re: fuel, maintenance and.or handling contracts etc.

Publius

What a marvelous article. Great feat of research.
Very precise and to the point.
Congratulations !

Positive aspects
 

Hi LVL CHG,

A few positive aspects:

You can live anywhere in europe, as long as it is in reasonable distance from a major airport.

NJE operate nice and new aircrafts, well maintained.

There is a monthly roster.
You work mostly on a 6 on 5 off basis, the max duty days are 18 though.

Company pays 50% into your (pension) savings fund.

Lots of nice and interesting colleagues, with lots of different backgrounds.

Ciao,
DrDave

DrDave1

When will you folks finally get your heads around it ?

6 and 5 DOES NO LONGER EXSIST!!!!!!!!!!

by unilateral change of contract on the part of management.
It is one of those perpetual urban myths.

Mike,

Thanks for the great post. Sure, no job is ever PERFECT... Everyone thought FR or Easy were fantastic places to be a few years back and now look at how bad they have become. It sounds like NJE would be a good place to be given the nice, new aircraft, the ability to live almost anywhere throughout Europe, the inherent route variety in the job (won't get bored flying the same routes over and over and over) and the relatively good schedules (as you have shown us).

NJE will always have its detractors - many probably couldn't get an interview...

Anyone else with positive viewpoints of NJE? How long would one expect to stay in a Citation series aircraft before being able to upgrade to a larger aircraft like the Hawker or Falcon 2000 - 4-5 years? Flying a Bravo or Excel wouldn't be too bad of a gig...

publius,
 

I see that the " King of Cut and Paste" is back. How wonderfully refreshing to re-read the comments made by someone else all those months ago. To think that when 4HP posted that thread there were no leaves on the trees and summer was just a day dream. Did you save it to your hard drive?

My heartfelt congratulations to you, boy, for your incisive, intelligent and original post. Do you have an opinion of your own? No, didn`t think so.

Please, no more. It REALLY is getting boring now.
Get over it boy, noone likes a copycat and an illiterate mudslinger. Grow up.

yours yawningly,

If I was trying to get a job with NJ and was willing to pay for type rating...which TR would be best to get?
And does anyone have a phone no for crew recruitment?

There is no T/R buying scheme as far as I know. They are very picky and willing to invest in the ones that meet their criteria. I went to an interview with a number of ezy and ryr drivers at the time and they took only a few of us. minimum 1500 hours :hmm:

Does Haffa have reasons to be pissed of or something, get up to date info mate! :rolleyes:

ps I did not get in....:(

pilotbear,

no TR required as NJE take the person, not the ratings.

Switchboard at NJE Lisbon is +351 21 446 8400.

Ask for Miss Monica Gunther, she is the lady who deals with flight crew applications.

Good luck.

Trainer too 2,

Nice to read a post from someone who unfortunately didn't get into NJE, but has the maturity to say so and not start slagging us off as being a bunch of amateur w...kers.

Thank you from all of us a NJE who enjoy and appreciate our job. Hopw you are successful in the future.


Publius and Haffa...TAKE NOTE

A typerating will help to get their attention but like inca said they are looking at the person, not the rating.
I also believe that an offer to pay for your rating doesn't help at all, not to say the least that it won't be appreciated by future collegaes.

I have been trying for almost 3 years to get an interview but my background is not interesting enough for them, pitty but i will try again later.

No company is perfect but i believe NJE offers one of the best 'packages' in Europe. Good friend of mine is working for NJE and very happy.

good luck!

Inca Dinca.....

Sorry for not responding sooner boy, just back from the far-east.

1. I do note your registered date as an experienced ppruner...LOL

2. Your obvious inexperience regarding your hard drive comment is laughable....TAKE NOTE...all posts are saved in history on this website and can be retrieved in short order.

3. The comments in criticizing my 'Cut and Paste' article, are, as you may know or not know (probably the former, giving you the benefit of the doubt) are a direct quote from one of the respected moderators of this truly amazing forum and I have never made that a secret Your comments and professionalism towards myself and the founders of this International website are sub-standard to say the least, and as far as I am concerned, you accordingly have relegated yourself to 'NJE cheerleader status', rather than addressing ALL the facts.......boy. I can only imagine your lack of self esteem far surpasses your ego and CRM skills when you criticize the 'Cut and Paste' comments from none other than PPrune Towers, otherwise known as the Dep Chief PPRuNE Towers...........good luck if you ever come up for command, you'll need it, given your lack of both fore and hindsight.

Hoping your contract is at the very least UK based. if not, keep your nose clean......remember, contracts written on toilet paper = no labour law..........(you can look that quote up aswell if you can figure out how) :ok: