Netjets Europe - Positive Aspects of the Job
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Guys can we keep the personal issues aside & get back to the topic please. I was hopeful that something better would come of this thread but it seems to be heading the same way every other NJ(E) thread has gone.
Push & shove & taunt by PM or email please.
Thanks, 4HP
Push & shove & taunt by PM or email please.
Thanks, 4HP
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Publius.
I used to be Mumble XP,....................................................(drivel removed)
I did ask you nicely.
4HP
I used to be Mumble XP,....................................................(drivel removed)
I did ask you nicely.
4HP
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Publius, using my quoting skills:
I do not think that you come near any of the persons that you are trying to suck up to so do not name yourselve in one sentence with these gentleman.
You only had 11 posts so far all against Netjets, why? No social life, rejected, outdated info, what? Did they also not hire you or what, you keep recycling old cut and paste jobs. I used to be a big Ryanair fan at the time and have changed my views as they changed for the worst. Don't you think that a growing company can change the right way?????
Believe me I rather believe somebody who is with the company and is happy than somebody who is apperantly not and always moaning....
Get a life
Your comments and professionalism towards myself and the founders of this International website are sub-standard to say the least
You only had 11 posts so far all against Netjets, why? No social life, rejected, outdated info, what? Did they also not hire you or what, you keep recycling old cut and paste jobs. I used to be a big Ryanair fan at the time and have changed my views as they changed for the worst. Don't you think that a growing company can change the right way?????
Believe me I rather believe somebody who is with the company and is happy than somebody who is apperantly not and always moaning....
Get a life
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positive aspects of NetJets
1) 90% solid roster.
2) 100% back-up and support from Dispatch. Wherever,
whenever.
3) If you don't get 6 and 5, it will be made up to you in the
future. i.e next month.
4) Brand new aircraft to fly.
5) Comprehensive medical, pension schemes. Not bad
for "contract pilots".
6) Very good upgrade potential for the person who works hard
and supports the company.
7) Massive variety of destinations, whatever fleet you are on.
8) Extremely good salary for the amount of actual work we do.
9) Flying with colleagues from a wide spectrum of the industry.
The chance to learn tricks from a freighter dog or an ex fighter
pilot. Invaluable if you are serious about flying, and don't just
do it for the uniform and the money.
10) Wide variety of pax, most of whom get to know you on first
name terms. Most rewarding.
I could go on.
2) 100% back-up and support from Dispatch. Wherever,
whenever.
3) If you don't get 6 and 5, it will be made up to you in the
future. i.e next month.
4) Brand new aircraft to fly.
5) Comprehensive medical, pension schemes. Not bad
for "contract pilots".
6) Very good upgrade potential for the person who works hard
and supports the company.
7) Massive variety of destinations, whatever fleet you are on.
8) Extremely good salary for the amount of actual work we do.
9) Flying with colleagues from a wide spectrum of the industry.
The chance to learn tricks from a freighter dog or an ex fighter
pilot. Invaluable if you are serious about flying, and don't just
do it for the uniform and the money.
10) Wide variety of pax, most of whom get to know you on first
name terms. Most rewarding.
I could go on.
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Can anybody say what the career progresion would be for somebody with 2000 hours total time, most of them heavy jet ( +50tons). Types and seats to start and progress to.
Is an airline background a bonus?
thanks
P
Is an airline background a bonus?
thanks
P
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Haffa mate dont waste your breath on these guys. Some folks refuse to see the abuse that's going on all around them. They think keeping the nose brown is the best way to progress in that company. Poor blind sods !
Any criticism must be a lie.... ergo
anything complimentary must be true !
Brand new aircraft eh ? rubbish !
90 solid roster ? rubbish
100% back up from ops ? knife in the back more like !
Any criticism must be a lie.... ergo
anything complimentary must be true !
Brand new aircraft eh ? rubbish !
90 solid roster ? rubbish
100% back up from ops ? knife in the back more like !
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Haffa,
I wish I knew who you were. I know what you are, as do most who read this post. However, can't type it as there might be children reading also.
If you are so unhappy at NJE, then do us all a favour and LEAVE. Mind you, you might not have to as I know that the company is aware of the mal-contents and is actively weeding out the dead wood. See ya.
I've had a pm with the regulator on this post, and have explained that I am not into childish mudslinging but will not tolerate a misfitting loser slagging me or my colleagues off. 4HP, hope I'm not renaging on my promise, but you have to agree that this "gentleman" ( and I'm using that term in it's most loose format, just to be polite ) is contibuting a big fat ZERO to this discussion.
Gotta go, flying the 100th flight hour in my "not brand new aircraft".
Do wish that maintenance wouldn't fudge the figures in the tech log!!!
I wish I knew who you were. I know what you are, as do most who read this post. However, can't type it as there might be children reading also.
If you are so unhappy at NJE, then do us all a favour and LEAVE. Mind you, you might not have to as I know that the company is aware of the mal-contents and is actively weeding out the dead wood. See ya.
I've had a pm with the regulator on this post, and have explained that I am not into childish mudslinging but will not tolerate a misfitting loser slagging me or my colleagues off. 4HP, hope I'm not renaging on my promise, but you have to agree that this "gentleman" ( and I'm using that term in it's most loose format, just to be polite ) is contibuting a big fat ZERO to this discussion.
Gotta go, flying the 100th flight hour in my "not brand new aircraft".
Do wish that maintenance wouldn't fudge the figures in the tech log!!!
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Is straight to a GIV/GV as newhire FO possible?
What is the likelihood of a newhire actually starting on the GIV/GV as an FO vs. FO on a Bravo or Hawker? Has that happened yet?
You also mention that the GVs are flying worldwide, what are some places the GV visits? How far afield do the NJE GVs and F2000s fly?
Regardless of what the naysayers are saying, I still think NJE would be a great opportunity because you get two things that most Euro airlines do not offer:
1. Good schedules
2. Excellent route variety - a huge plus in my book (Moscow one day and Faro the next - not bad)
You also get to fly some great bizjets - a lot nicer than some of the junky 737s or worn Airbuses out there...
You also mention that the GVs are flying worldwide, what are some places the GV visits? How far afield do the NJE GVs and F2000s fly?
Regardless of what the naysayers are saying, I still think NJE would be a great opportunity because you get two things that most Euro airlines do not offer:
1. Good schedules
2. Excellent route variety - a huge plus in my book (Moscow one day and Faro the next - not bad)
You also get to fly some great bizjets - a lot nicer than some of the junky 737s or worn Airbuses out there...
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I would encourage regulars to avoid rising to the bait of the badly disguised lure in the last sentence of the thread above. Please avoid a shoving match.
LVL CHG, there are many folk out there who would give their left lung to be flying RHS on a "junky 737" or a "worn Airbus." Your lofty goals in life are not always those of others and you will obviously have ruffled the feathers of some of our worn, junky colleagues. Keep it nice please & avoid causing obvious offense to others.
4HP
LVL CHG, there are many folk out there who would give their left lung to be flying RHS on a "junky 737" or a "worn Airbus." Your lofty goals in life are not always those of others and you will obviously have ruffled the feathers of some of our worn, junky colleagues. Keep it nice please & avoid causing obvious offense to others.
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4polerholer,
I miss a true moderator action in the sense that you tell LVL CHG off for using bait but leave total unfounded calls by Haffa (whose only posts are anti NJ while using out of date knowledge), justwhenyouthought.. (his one and only post) and Publius who also have an obvious problem and also using out of date info.
I went to the NJ interviews well prepared, a number of former collegues went there and where very happy and thus I applied as well. Apart from speaking to them I spoke to four different crews at the RTM FBO, went to the interview and got all the info: up sides and down sides of the job.
The guys that did get through the interview and I am still in though with are loving it so far and they also made the choice from a worn out 737-200 (RYR) and from EZY. Their view was similar to LVL CHG: new aircraft and stable rosters from a planning point of view i.e. numbers of days on and off. On the day you never know where you fly but that seems to be a perk rather than a disadvantage versus 3 times DUB-STN a day!
The only reason I was unhappy with NJ was because they did not hire me because I had a bad "off" day at interview...
So 4PH please go for a balanced view and look at the unfounded baits left on this thread by the above mentioned!!
I miss a true moderator action in the sense that you tell LVL CHG off for using bait but leave total unfounded calls by Haffa (whose only posts are anti NJ while using out of date knowledge), justwhenyouthought.. (his one and only post) and Publius who also have an obvious problem and also using out of date info.
I went to the NJ interviews well prepared, a number of former collegues went there and where very happy and thus I applied as well. Apart from speaking to them I spoke to four different crews at the RTM FBO, went to the interview and got all the info: up sides and down sides of the job.
The guys that did get through the interview and I am still in though with are loving it so far and they also made the choice from a worn out 737-200 (RYR) and from EZY. Their view was similar to LVL CHG: new aircraft and stable rosters from a planning point of view i.e. numbers of days on and off. On the day you never know where you fly but that seems to be a perk rather than a disadvantage versus 3 times DUB-STN a day!
The only reason I was unhappy with NJ was because they did not hire me because I had a bad "off" day at interview...
So 4PH please go for a balanced view and look at the unfounded baits left on this thread by the above mentioned!!
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I read with interest the posts, by the moderators on this forum with regards to NJE etc.
If these accusations are not true, as the Net jets cheerleaders would have us believe, then why don't NJE sue pprune? If they don't, then the posts must be true, right?
I have worked for yanks outside the US (not a pleasant experience) and I have a very good idea who is telling the truth.
If these accusations are not true, as the Net jets cheerleaders would have us believe, then why don't NJE sue pprune? If they don't, then the posts must be true, right?
I have worked for yanks outside the US (not a pleasant experience) and I have a very good idea who is telling the truth.
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Loc-Out, a small geography lesson...
NetJets EUROPE is not run by Yanks. Its office is in Lisbon, PORTUGAL, which has been in EUROPE for hundreds of years. Office is manned by Portugese staff. Although affiliated with NetJets USA, they have no direct control over our operations.
As far as suing PPrune...why?
Prune is a website where pilots chat. The always likely admission of unhappy has beens into their posted threads is not the websites fault.
Besides, would you bother trying to find out the true identities of messrs Haffa and co, so you could politely ask them to stop being so nasty!!! NO, winners and adults never lower themselves to the tacky standards of the mudslingers and disappointed failures.
NetJets EUROPE is not run by Yanks. Its office is in Lisbon, PORTUGAL, which has been in EUROPE for hundreds of years. Office is manned by Portugese staff. Although affiliated with NetJets USA, they have no direct control over our operations.
As far as suing PPrune...why?
Prune is a website where pilots chat. The always likely admission of unhappy has beens into their posted threads is not the websites fault.
Besides, would you bother trying to find out the true identities of messrs Haffa and co, so you could politely ask them to stop being so nasty!!! NO, winners and adults never lower themselves to the tacky standards of the mudslingers and disappointed failures.
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Inca - the cheerful 'trust me' smile is just a little too tight. O'Leary tried the same technique of offhand disparagement - 'jottings on a toilet wall' Still ended up losing it and calling in the lawyers. The truth will out - it always does.
A number of significant points regarding operations and contracts have been made. It is the choice of NJE employees to never refer to them. This tells our experienced readers far more than Inca and chums can ever write.
Been doing this a long time. Watched the united cheerleading front for FR ( the most effective around for years) dissolve - the reality has now been broadcast loud and clear.
NJE - a contract job with no employment protection. This is in absolute and diametric contrast to the unionised, American operation.
If that's suits then fine. However, the thinking pilot has to work on this basis. If the entire PPRuNeing NJE workforce can't bring themselves to tell the truth about the simplest item - their contract or their hours what else might be lurking? Test me boys and girls - our search engine is very good indeed.
Your moderator and I inhabit the same world, the same FBO's and the same hotels. We spend a significant amount of time downroute with pilots and attendants from the American side of the operation as well as NJE folks.
Those of you paying attention will also know that dear Bruce H tried to recruit Danny and I for the BBJ several years ago - lucky we didn't hold our breath on that one. Interestingly no one's tried to slap that one down as me being a failed candidate - then again the recruitment was attempted in public when Danny and I were opening speakers at the Flight International Crew Management conference - lots of witnesses. Far too many to try out the black propaganda arts on my comments anyway.
Here at the Towers we allowed 3 years to pass before stepping in to comment. No change other than in the most cynical way over that period - vide the Air Luxor JAA compliant AOC and Ops Manual and its magical transformation.
You guys keep ducking the important stuff as much as you like - hours post Crossair Jumbolina report, contracts with unusual addresses and rates of pay and conditions that vary so widely as to keep it a constant source of conversation in crewrooms everywhere.
PPRuNe, as ever, makes sure the koolaide gets leavened with reality.
Regards to you all,
Rob Lloyd
A number of significant points regarding operations and contracts have been made. It is the choice of NJE employees to never refer to them. This tells our experienced readers far more than Inca and chums can ever write.
Been doing this a long time. Watched the united cheerleading front for FR ( the most effective around for years) dissolve - the reality has now been broadcast loud and clear.
NJE - a contract job with no employment protection. This is in absolute and diametric contrast to the unionised, American operation.
If that's suits then fine. However, the thinking pilot has to work on this basis. If the entire PPRuNeing NJE workforce can't bring themselves to tell the truth about the simplest item - their contract or their hours what else might be lurking? Test me boys and girls - our search engine is very good indeed.
Your moderator and I inhabit the same world, the same FBO's and the same hotels. We spend a significant amount of time downroute with pilots and attendants from the American side of the operation as well as NJE folks.
Those of you paying attention will also know that dear Bruce H tried to recruit Danny and I for the BBJ several years ago - lucky we didn't hold our breath on that one. Interestingly no one's tried to slap that one down as me being a failed candidate - then again the recruitment was attempted in public when Danny and I were opening speakers at the Flight International Crew Management conference - lots of witnesses. Far too many to try out the black propaganda arts on my comments anyway.
Here at the Towers we allowed 3 years to pass before stepping in to comment. No change other than in the most cynical way over that period - vide the Air Luxor JAA compliant AOC and Ops Manual and its magical transformation.
You guys keep ducking the important stuff as much as you like - hours post Crossair Jumbolina report, contracts with unusual addresses and rates of pay and conditions that vary so widely as to keep it a constant source of conversation in crewrooms everywhere.
PPRuNe, as ever, makes sure the koolaide gets leavened with reality.
Regards to you all,
Rob Lloyd
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Not NJE - a private one for all in our line of work: corporate/vip. Popping into crew areas in LBG, Basel, Olbia etc looking at how folks want checking and verification to work. Confidentiality is the prime issue.
10 private forums, mainly airilnes obviously, waiting in the wings but first a cull of around 30 forums to refocus the site on its professional aviation origins.
Rob
10 private forums, mainly airilnes obviously, waiting in the wings but first a cull of around 30 forums to refocus the site on its professional aviation origins.
Rob
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Are pilots employed by NJE employed by Portuguese company and paying their taxes in Portugal? Where is national security charges paid, each individuals country of residence or also in Portugal?
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Trainer 2. Inca, and MJ.......Before being accused of being the "King of Cut and Paste"....I can't even bother me arse anymore with all ye NJE cheerleaders.
"NJE - a contract job with no employment protection. This is in absolute and diametric contrast to the unionised, American operation"
"You guys keep ducking the important stuff as much as you like - hours post Crossair Jumbolina report, contracts with unusual addresses and rates of pay and conditions that vary so widely as to keep it a constant source of conversation in crewrooms everywhere."
Next time I see DM or Warren RW, I'll be sure to mention all your brown nosing capabilities......That you even have the the audacity to engage PPRuNE TOWERS is bollocks, but sure enough, it only proves to all unsundry the untruths that lie beneath the "Great American Dream"
"A number of significant points regarding operations and contracts have been made. It is the choice of NJE employees to never refer to them. This tells our experienced readers far more than Inca and chums can ever write."
.........Inca, apart from your tacky comments you should be proud that PPRuNE TOWERS has taken the time to single you out as SO informative and honest...LOL.......MJ to the rescue.......divert attention and change the subject.......
"NJE - a contract job with no employment protection. This is in absolute and diametric contrast to the unionised, American operation"
"You guys keep ducking the important stuff as much as you like - hours post Crossair Jumbolina report, contracts with unusual addresses and rates of pay and conditions that vary so widely as to keep it a constant source of conversation in crewrooms everywhere."
Next time I see DM or Warren RW, I'll be sure to mention all your brown nosing capabilities......That you even have the the audacity to engage PPRuNE TOWERS is bollocks, but sure enough, it only proves to all unsundry the untruths that lie beneath the "Great American Dream"
"A number of significant points regarding operations and contracts have been made. It is the choice of NJE employees to never refer to them. This tells our experienced readers far more than Inca and chums can ever write."
.........Inca, apart from your tacky comments you should be proud that PPRuNE TOWERS has taken the time to single you out as SO informative and honest...LOL.......MJ to the rescue.......divert attention and change the subject.......
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Thanks for the geography lesson. I don't know how I have got where I am, without you.
Wrong! The so-called management in Lisbon, do exactly as they are told, by uncle w***** and his cronies.
It is not only pilots (and prospective "owners") that read this forum, as I am sure you are aware. If your masters could close this site down, they would, in an instant, believe me, as the truth is bad publicity etc.
You are obviously under the spell; judging by the brown nose drivel you keep churning out.
Thanks for the geography lesson. I don't know how I have got where I am, without you.
Wrong! The so-called management in Lisbon, do exactly as they are told, by uncle w***** and his cronies.
It is not only pilots (and prospective "owners") that read this forum, as I am sure you are aware. If your masters could close this site down, they would, in an instant, believe me, as the truth is bad publicity etc.
You are obviously under the spell; judging by the brown nose drivel you keep churning out.