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chevvron 2nd Nov 2023 09:24

Plentiful eggs then; maybe ostrich?
(Omelette not omelet)

thnarg 2nd Nov 2023 10:22


Originally Posted by meleagertoo (Post 11531528)
I assumed that, hence my pehaps rather more appropriate response .Or maybe you haven't got it after all...because I don't see a sandwich in this (and its a bit of a stretch even to include kebab)

Sorry, maybe I haven’t! I thought the sandwich referenced the company and the omelet its location? But if nobody gets it by this afternoon I’ll offer my suggestion.


BEagle 2nd Nov 2023 11:03

Hmm... Reuben? Denver? Diabolo? Po Boy?

Nope, none of the above. It's the Gyro Crusader AG-4!

meleagertoo 2nd Nov 2023 11:13

Beagle's got it. American Gyro AG-4 Crusader.

Designed by Thomas Miles Shelton and built in Denver, the only significant airport 4045 Nm from Woodley where the other Miles lived.
And Gyro is only one letter short of Gyros, the source of a kebab...

It seems a shame this design didn't have a chance to thrive, I think it looks terrific.


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....6566061786.png


BEagle 2nd Nov 2023 11:28

Try a Gyro sandwich whilst you ponder this challenge:


https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a499feec5a.jpg

meleagertoo 2nd Nov 2023 12:37

Not familiar with a "gyro sandwich".
Googled it and discovered to my surprise that such a mis-spelled thing does apparenty exist - guess where - the USA which explains it not being widely, if at all understood here. At least, in 50+ years of eating kebabs all over Europe I've never come across it
As the rotisserie the meat comes from is a Gyros, not a Gyro (which is demonstrably inedible) and is used to makes doner kababs, souvlaki or plated meals not sandwiches I think the reason is clear enough!

thnarg 2nd Nov 2023 13:41

Can’t recommend a gyro sandwich, but a denver omelet (which is just an omelette in Europe) is a good start to your day.

BEagle, that looks like a French empennage?

BEagle 2nd Nov 2023 14:56

Comme cette Bréguet Flamant?


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....bc09aaf0e0.jpg

Mais le défi n'est pas un Flamant!

chevvron 2nd Nov 2023 15:34

I would have guessed Flamant too but no dihedral to the tailplane and fin flashes appear to be reversed ie red at the front.

Self loading bear 2nd Nov 2023 19:07

French Aeronavale Lockheed PV-2 Harpoon?

BEagle 2nd Nov 2023 19:50

Non! Tant pis......

Noyade 3rd Nov 2023 06:34

Saro Lerwick - with twin fins...


https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....2d6d1ba162.jpg

BEagle 3rd Nov 2023 08:48

Noyade has it - well done.

The Saro Lerwick, whether with one or two fins, was an utterly dreadfully dangerous device. In the event of an engine failure it was unable to maintain height on the remaining engine and if full power was applied, the rudder had insufficient rudder authority to maintain straight flight. The 'sinking pig' would simply spiral down until it crashed....

Noyade 3rd Nov 2023 21:57

Thanks BEagle!

Another twin-finner...


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f1c5b0ce56.jpg

thnarg 4th Nov 2023 10:00

Looks like the back of a Whitley with somebody else’s tailwheel. Any connection?

chevvron 4th Nov 2023 10:51

Maybe it's a glider towing tailwheel; Whitleys were used pretty intensively for this.
A friend of mine told me of how he was being towed out of Brize in a Horsa /Whitley tug when one engine failed; the Whitley didn't have tine to release the tow and it turned upside down taking the glider with it and my friend ended up with a broken leg and a steel plate in his face until the day he died.

Noyade 4th Nov 2023 20:25

No connection to the Whitley. Tailwheel detail is hard to come by - but here's another artistic version...


https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....14ebf8217f.png

Noyade 5th Nov 2023 22:52

First flight - May 1, 1931.
Four engines.
Gross weight - just over 12 tons.
Bombs and guns.

Asturias56 6th Nov 2023 07:21

well with those clues I found the Grigorovitch TB-5

https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ab71765372.jpg


Noyade 6th Nov 2023 07:59

And we have another winner.
Over to you A 56. :ok:


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