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D26 17th Jul 2023 17:48

Not biplane but a sesquiplane floatplane named Canadian Vickers Velos.
Developed as survey aircraft, it was difficult to fly and very slow despite P&W Wasp engines. Only one built 1928.

Asturias56 17th Jul 2023 19:47


Originally Posted by sycamore (Post 11469074)
`Academy Windows`(East Anglia) do bay windows like that......

I thought the same.................... ;)

India Four Two 18th Jul 2023 15:55

The Canadian Vickers Velos G-CYZX

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ed17905cff.jpg


Only Velos built. Found to be very overweight and c.g. estimate wrong. Required modifications delayed first flight until 18 July 1928. Designed to Government spec for photo survey, spec changed midway during development. A quote from the RCAF test report: "It is considered that this aircraft is most unsuitable for any operation carried out in the RCAF." Later found that wind tunnel model had been inaccurate (fuselage longer than as-built), leading to serious stability and control problems. K. M. Molsen called it "the worst aircraft built in Canada".
https://caspir.warplane.com/bin/warp...ftno=200001724

I like to imagine that the designers figured that the extra drag of the windows was insignificant compared to all the struts and bracing wires!

I couldn't find the origin of the name. Velos means veil in Latin.

​​​​​​​D26 has control

D26 18th Jul 2023 16:28

Such a heap of struts and wires struggling along in the air! It can be better, just when one does look at the single engine plane anchored behind it with its cantilever wing.
I did not find a photo of it in the air, no wonder.
Latin: velocis = fast.....

Open house please!

thnarg 18th Jul 2023 18:06

If I may… a genuine question.

While trudging around the interweb looking for one of your fiendish three-rivets-and-a-strut challenges I came across this “photo”:

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....08776d9e5.jpeg

I didn’t recognise it and assume it was somebody’s rather good steampunk (gasolinepunk?) creation. Anybody out there know anything about it?

Meanwhile, please go ahead if you would like to post a genuine challenge

oncemorealoft 18th Jul 2023 19:47

Thnarg, it’s one of the three Vickers Windsor high altitude bombers. It was designed by Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson and first flew in 1943. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Windsor.

thnarg 18th Jul 2023 20:15

Ah thanks Once’. I’m not a military aircraft nerd and hadn’t heard of it. Interesting design.

Sorry for the interruption, please carry on…

chevvron 18th Jul 2023 20:19


Originally Posted by oncemorealoft (Post 11469692)
Thnarg, it’s one of the three Vickers Windsor high altitude bombers. It was designed by Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson and first flew in 1943. See: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_Windsor.

Photo taken at RAE Farnborough taxying along runway 22 which, by this time, was downgraded to taxyway status; I knew it as 'The Arrestor' runway because several types of catapults and arrestor gear were built and tested on it before they were moved to RAE Bedford in about 1955.. In another photo of a Windsor you would be able to see Farnborough Abbey (which houses the remains of Emporer Napolean III) directly on the centreline.
The Windsors were trucked to Farnborough for assembly and test flying, Foxwarren being a T2 hangar at the junction of the A245 and Redhll Road also known as Silvermere Road and which contained several other dispersed research sites owned by Vickers which are derelict but still there.
Latterly Foxwarren was the home of the London Transport Bus Museum which has now moved to the main Brooklands site.

India Four Two 18th Jul 2023 20:20

While we are waiting.

one does look at the single engine plane anchored behind it with its cantilever wing.
G-CASK was a very famous Fokker Super Universal:

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ba5e361b39.jpg


A beautifully detailed model of a Fokker Super Universal. The real G-CASK was registered to Western Canada Airways Ltd. and flown by famed bush pilots Punch Dickins and Walter Gilbert. The first to fly the entire length of the Mackenzie River and over the north magnetic pole, G-CASK was Canada’s most famous airplane of the 1920s.Regrettably, in 1933, G-CASK perished burned up in a refueling accident at Fort MacMurray, Alberta.
https://royalaviationmuseum.com/arte...irplane-model/

It came to a sad fiery end at Fort McMurray in 1933:
https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=1330

I'm lucky enough to have seen a Super Universal in the air. Clark Seaborn who rebuilt CF-AAM*, flew it into my gliding club's field for us to look at. Now it is marooned forever in a museum! :(
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e2fcb83bd8.jpg

​​​​​​​Nearly four decades later, in 1974, the aircraft’s remains were salvaged by the Western Canada Aviation Museum (now the Royal Aviation Museum of Western Canada) and taken to aircraft restoration expert Clark Seaborn of Calgary, Alberta. Seaborn agreed to restore the aircraft in exchange for the right to fly it for five years. Over the next 18 years, Seaborn and his team used the wreck and those of two other Super Universals found in the Yukon to restore CF-AAM to flying condition. The most painstaking part of the process was building the aircraft’s wings. This involved nailing sheets of plywood over wooden ribs using thousands of closely-spaced nails. The end result was an exacting recreation of CF-AAM as it appeared right before its final flight, down to the wood paneling and mohair seats in the cabin.

In 2001, Clark Seaborn flew the restored CF-AAM along its original airmail route in the Yukon before donating it to the RAMWC.
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https://royalaviationmuseum.com/airc...versal-cf-aam/

* Prior to 1929, Canadian aircraft were registered G-Cxxx. Subsequently, they were registered CF-xxx. Nowadays, we have C-Fxxx and C-Gxxx.

Noyade 19th Jul 2023 23:33


Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 11469599)
I couldn't find the origin of the name. Velos means veil in Latin.

Greek? = Arrow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Velos


https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....e063e4d7f9.jpg



Originally Posted by India Four Two (Post 11469711)
While we are waiting.

Hi Simon. Who or for what?


https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....96744ebdb9.jpg


Asturias56 20th Jul 2023 07:12

a new challenge - its OH I think

meleagertoo 20th Jul 2023 10:59

https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....8982a02e68.png

Noyade 21st Jul 2023 04:52

Morning Mel.
Very clever. :)
Slow day in Australia for me with miserable weather outside, so I stayed inside looking for this.
I started looking at tail-draggers, but got nowhere. Then looking at it magnified - I would swear on a stack of bibles I could 'see' a pilot with COVID precautions looking to the right.
But the scale made no sense. He was either the world's smallest man or he was in the world's biggest biplane. I blame my optometrist.


https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....66ec5cd801.jpg

Noyade 21st Jul 2023 04:58

But just now while sipping tea and accepting your image orientation to be correct - the penny dropped with a mighty thud!
Looks like the computer artist has taken some liberties with this machine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruy%C3%A8re_C_1


https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c301b4208c.jpg

meleagertoo 22nd Jul 2023 11:18

Strange looking device, shame it didn't work out.

Noyade has control.

Noyade 23rd Jul 2023 03:28

Another drawing...


https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....371b121379.png


Asturias56 23rd Jul 2023 07:43

Propeller arc is offset and above nose = pusher?


Noyade 23rd Jul 2023 08:13

Yes - pusher...

Noyade 24th Jul 2023 05:57

https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....129bcfde33.jpg

621andy 24th Jul 2023 07:33

I think we have the Trella T-21 N450C...That met with an unfortunate end: https://aviation-safety.net/wikibase/226284


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