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Noyade 1st Jun 2013 06:16

And for those who prefer an aerial shot....

http://i43.tinypic.com/2qk58d2.jpg

Lordflasheart 1st Jun 2013 08:33

McClellan AFB Sacramento. (Ca - USA ;))
Nice aerial Graeme, but it was the date what dunnit.
By elimination, it seems the only significant B-47 unit still operating in 1967 was the 55th Weather Reconnaissance Squadron with WB-47Es - principally nuclear radiation sampling. BTW the CO was Col Hiram P Bilyeu and they got an Air Force Excellence award that year. LFH

Noyade 1st Jun 2013 08:57

Well done LFH. :ok:

Your control.

Lordflasheart 1st Jun 2013 09:12

Thank you Graeme. I think your flightline is up the top right corner of the aerial. McClellan is now a Coast Guard Air Station.

Here's an interesting one. I guess the photographer didn't want to hang around.

http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/...g?t=1369991203

Lordflasheart 2nd Jun 2013 21:44

This 'airfield' didn't last long.

albatross 3rd Jun 2013 04:19

Russia? Perhaps Stalingrad? WAG.

Noyade 3rd Jun 2013 06:29

Or maybe somewhere near or on frozen Lake Ladoga during the siege of Leningrad?

Road of Life - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lordflasheart 3rd Jun 2013 06:53

Not Stalingrad or Leningrad or Lake Ladoga. Not Russia, but the chaps "down there" are German. LFH

Airclues 3rd Jun 2013 08:15

Norway????

Lordflasheart 3rd Jun 2013 08:55

Spotttton Dave. :ok:

evansb 3rd Jun 2013 12:17

Forus, Norway ?

Lordflasheart 3rd Jun 2013 13:53

Not Forus, Brian. Further north. This 'field' never had the same 'substance' or 'foundation' found at places like Forus. Though it was only operational for a month or so during the War, there has been some recent aviation 'activity' here.

TheiC 3rd Jun 2013 14:30

Information is sparse, but could it be Elga?

Lordflasheart 3rd Jun 2013 16:25


... could it be Elga?
Now that is an obscure 'airfield' TheiC :ok:. Not Elga, but you're within 100 miles, so you're getting warmer. That was/is the big problem at both these 'fields.'

Lightning Mate 4th Jun 2013 07:15

An ice field then?

Airclues 4th Jun 2013 07:18

As LM says, obviously a frozen lake. Let's start with Lake Hartvigvannet?

Dave

Lightning Mate 4th Jun 2013 07:30

Do you mean Lake Hartvigvann ?

Airclues 4th Jun 2013 07:44

LM

Most of the references to the JU-52 that sank there refer to it as Lake Hartvigvannet.

For example; Junkers Ju.52/3mg4e, 6821, Technikmuseum Speyer

Dave

Lordflasheart 4th Jun 2013 08:09

Dave & David - I think they're all the same lake in different tongues. But Lake Hart **** worrevver is close to Narvik, which is way up north. You're right it's a frozen lake. And similarly, several German aircraft sank through the melting ice at the beginning of the Norwegian part of Operation Weserubung. Similarly, one/some have recently been recovered from this lake and these events have been publicly recorded. I get the impression that most of these frozen lake ops were all "Plan B" or " nur im Notfall verwenden !"

See my reply to TheiC yesterday

"... Not Elga, but you're within 100 miles, so you're getting warmer."
This challenge lake was apparently used for civil water operations before the war, and briefly by RAF flying boats at the end of WWII.

Call when you need mo' clue. LFH

nacluv 4th Jun 2013 18:14

How about Lake Svalen/Savalen?

Lordflasheart 4th Jun 2013 18:59

Not Lake Savalen, Vulcan. Go North.

They used this frozen lake as Plan B when it turned out the target airfield surface was too soft for their "heavy" aircraft. This phase lasted about 14 days til the ice melted.

Lordflasheart 5th Jun 2013 09:25

Mo' clue -



This makeshift aerodrome commenced ops on 11th April 1940 with 18 JU-52s bringing munitions and spares. A flak perimeter was set up.

Within a few days the ice had deteriorated so that ops could only take place early mornings and evenings, but at one time a max of 36 planes were operating from here, plus a few refuelling stops. It was abandoned on 24th April by which time the originally intended airfield at xxxx had been made useable with a timber runway - A number of aircraft had already sunk through the ice or were otherwise left behind.



LFH.

nacluv 5th Jun 2013 13:07

Could it be Jonsvatnet then?

Lordflasheart 5th Jun 2013 13:30

Well done Vulcan. It is Jonsvatnet. A few miles south of Trondheim (Norway;) ) and the intended local airfield was Vaernes.

The photo came from "Coastal Command" An Air Ministry account of the part played by Coastal Command 1939 - 42. The caption for the photo says -

"The frozen lake at Jonsvatnet used by the Germans as a makeshift airfield. A Wellington spotted 22 enemy aircraft on it. As a result the lake was bombed – "with excellent effect."


These websites tell most of the story. JU88.net and World War II Aircraft wrecksites in Norway


With regard to allied air activity, I note that a Whitley of 77 Squadron did an "armed recce" on 18th April. The reference to a Wellington of 625 Squadron on 22nd is probably the one in the photo caption, except 625 did not form until 1943 with Lancasters, so it could have been one of the 8 Wellington squadrons in 3 Gp. I saw no other reference to any any bombing in my research. FAA Skuas seem to have strafed the place after the birds had flown. The recovered aircraft are in the Norwegian Air Force Museum at Gardermoen.


Nacluv, You have Control.

nacluv 5th Jun 2013 15:33

Thanks, LFH. I was on to the Vaernes track, so it was that or possibly Hommelvik nearby.

Sorry to say that I can't find any good GI-'proof' images, so OH please.

Lordflasheart 5th Jun 2013 16:59

Very good Vulcan :ok:. Ju-52s on floats at Hommelvik.

Nacluv has declared OH.

cuefaye 5th Jun 2013 17:20

This shouldn't be here long ----

http://i1340.photobucket.com/albums/...pse89162ce.jpg

nacluv 5th Jun 2013 18:09

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sidtheesexist 5th Jun 2013 19:55

V long shot............Aden? (Khormaksar)

cuefaye 5th Jun 2013 20:31

sid, you're an excellent sniper :D
Aden 1965 - taken from the Hunter dispersal at RAF Khormaksar
You have control

sidtheesexist 8th Jun 2013 21:32

My sincere apologies been away with work etc. Open house. Thank you. Sid

Noyade 12th Jun 2013 05:18


I can't find any good GI-'proof' images
Same here mate. This one was continually found by GI until the Space Shuttle made an appearance....



http://i44.tinypic.com/2czxqc.jpg

Noyade 12th Jun 2013 05:22

And Edward from Twilight. (No it's NOT my figurine!)...

http://i39.tinypic.com/2q87nz8.jpg

Lordflasheart 12th Jun 2013 18:34

The nearest P-47D (c/n 339 55690) is apparently now in the Rio de Janeiro Aerospace Museum as #4120. Served with the Brazilian AF as #4184. I don't think Nogales Az or Nogales (Sonora, Mexico) were ever AAF fields. (Nor Shuttle backup landing strips.) LFH

Noyade 12th Jun 2013 21:27

Evening my Lord. We're in the USA and according to Wiki it had two names, both which I don't see on Mels list.

I can provide an aerial view. :)

evansb 12th Jun 2013 22:23

Las Vegas AAF (now Nellis AFB) Nevada, U.S.A.

Noyade 12th Jun 2013 22:32


Las Vegas AAF (now Nellis AFB) Nevada, U.S.A.
Well done Brian, your control. :ok:

evansb 13th Jun 2013 02:09

Thanks mate! Here is the next mystery aerodrome:
http://www.decatur-parks.org/wp-cont...way-Aerial.jpg

Lightning Mate 13th Jun 2013 06:34

Looking at the construction materials and colour, I'll shoot for the USA.

evansb 13th Jun 2013 06:49

Yes. In the U.S.A. The airport is well kept and well planned for the volume and type of operation. Long term car parking is free of charge.


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