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Bert Stiles 13th Feb 2006 09:30

The camper van is none other than the replica (incorporating what % original fittings I dont know)... Sikorsky(i) S 22(7) Ilya Mouromets in the hangar at Monino.
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f80/MGC1/Muromets.jpg
Not my go...Wunper's I think - good shot with the Luton Major.

Wunper 13th Feb 2006 10:05

Ok this won't be here for long I'm sure
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d1.../Guesswhat.jpg

Bert Stiles 13th Feb 2006 13:11

Guessing compulsively .... The Desoutter I ?

MReyn24050 13th Feb 2006 15:51

From the photograph this would appear to be the rear seat of the aircraft, yet it has a door on both the port and starboard side. Would appear to be a two seat tail dragger.
Would it be a Brochet?

foxmoth 13th Feb 2006 16:21

Looking at the rudder pedals I would say it is a side by side with central stick and throttle.

BSD 13th Feb 2006 16:28

I'm sure Bert has it right as the DeSoutter. Meanwhile, the earlier post of the Armagnac has brought up a fascinating aeroplane. Someone else has already asked I know, but can anyone explain those exraordinary control columns?

Wunper 13th Feb 2006 16:44

Bert Stiles: Nope but right era
MReyn24050: Two seat tail dragger but not a Brochet
foxmoth: Correct about the layout, but what aeroplane?
BSD: Bert hasn't yet but he is homing in!!
W

MReyn24050 13th Feb 2006 16:47

BSD
Not convinced Bert is correct see attached web site.
http://www.koolhoven.com/reconstruction/desoutter/

gas path 13th Feb 2006 22:23

Another wild guess ....Comte AC 4?

MReyn24050 14th Feb 2006 06:56

I am going to suggest the De Havilland Puss Moth, however not too sure about that furnishing above the instrument panel.

Wunper 14th Feb 2006 07:07

gas path & MReyn24050: Fraid not to both
Right era
Slightly too powerful
Wrong side of Atlantic
Designer had a European sounding name though
W

MReyn24050 14th Feb 2006 07:15

Thanks Wunper. However still none the wiser but I will take a stab at the Velie Monocoupe Monoplane of the 1920s. If that is too wild how about the Aeronca C3?

cringe 14th Feb 2006 07:40

Aeronca C-3 ?

MReyn24050 14th Feb 2006 07:52

Cringe
If correct, you beat me to it as I was adding it whilst you submitted your answer.

Wunper 14th Feb 2006 08:46

MReyn24050: You are a gent
cringe: You are sharp shooting again!
it's the cockpit of G-AEFT an Aeronca C-3 "Master" the first Aeroplane I left the ground in aged 3 over 43 years ago and I am glad to say still airworthy in the hands of a Gentleman Aviator.
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d107/wunper/ft.jpg
Over to You
W:ok:

MReyn24050 14th Feb 2006 08:57

Thanks Wumper.
A very interesting challenge. What made me change my mind and suggest the Aeronca C-3 was a report I found on Google by Budd Davieson that was published in Air Progress August 1979 following a Test Flight.
The following is an extract:-
"Incidently, one quite literally must lower oneself to fly the C-3. The wing is only waist high and to get in requires ducking under the wing, finding a man-sized opening in the wire bracing and threading your way through it to the cavernous non-door to the cockpit. Once hunched over in front of the door, it's anybody's guess as to the proper boarding procedure. I started by trying to stick first one leg in then the other. That, however, left most of me lying on the grass outside. I finally worked out a variation on the basic womb-exit technique where I crawled in head-first, crouched in the seat in a semi-embryonic position and worked my feet down to the rudders and my head into the upright position. I think.
The cockpit (and I use the term loosely) is "different" (and I under-exaggerate). The stick is to the left of center about six inches, presumably so the pilot can sit on the left. The throttle, however, is in the upper center of the "panel" (and again I describe in very loose generalities). Since it's both unnatural and obscene to fly with a stick in the left hand and the throttle in the right, I found myself flying slightly cross handed. After all, if God had wanted man to fly with the stick in his left hand He wouldn't have put the throttle on the left side of the Pitts.
There is a line of tiny little pedals spread across the floorboards with equal distances between them all. First I tried the left two and nothing happened, and I realized there was some sort of combination that I was missing. So, I punched the last one on the left and watched to see which one moved the other way and it turned out to be the third one from the left (I think).
The instrument panel isn't. There is a giant padded area that covers the entire top half of the bulkhead in front of you and extends, in an inverted "V" shape well above your head when on the ground. Under that is a flat space with three dials the size of steamboat gauges: airspeed, tach and altitude. None of these are any damned good, however, because the padded portion of the panel protrudes enough that you have to squinch down in the seat to see under it and read the gauges."

It was the padded area above the instrument panel that had me puzzled.

Well done, cringe, we await one of your interesting challenges. :)

cringe 14th Feb 2006 15:43

Sorry for the delay... work kept me away. I didn't expect to win! My guess was based on this drawing:

http://www.fiddlersgreen.net/AC/airc...fo/cockpit.gif

Next entry:

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1...nge_/unk27.jpg

BSD 14th Feb 2006 16:26

Hindustan aircraft Pushpak?

Wunper 14th Feb 2006 16:40

Is it an early Chrislea Skyjeep ?
before they went in for the weird & wonderful yoke on a swivel controls as on the Super Ace.
W

cringe 14th Feb 2006 16:53

Neither a Pushpak nor a Skyjeep.


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