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Maggie identity
Hi Beauman - Dont forget that I have promised you a ride this season.
If you trawl through this thread you will read all about the identity change of my aircraft.
V1075 was the 6th from last of over 1200 Magisters built. As a late aircraft it never wore its current all-over yellow pre-war scheme.
However, during the couse of one of its many accident rebuilds in the 50's it aquired the fuselage of N3788, an early 1938 machine.
Therefore, for historical accuracy, I plan to apply the marks that relate to the fuselage.
Conversely, little if anything remains of V1075 that ultimately became G-AKPF on demob. It will of course remain G-AKPF - we will simply take advantage of the CAA's 'relaxed' policy on military markings in order to effect the cosmetic change. This they have already agreed to - aren't they nice?!
The other option would be to get out the olive-drab, grind the surface off those horrible shiny cowlings to key the paint in, rip the spats off and get sploshing.....
Aaaaaaargh!
Hi JDK - many thanks for the pictures, I have such a nice collection of all sorts of stuff thanks to people like you. You have a ride promised too if you remember our discussion at OW!
HP
If you trawl through this thread you will read all about the identity change of my aircraft.
V1075 was the 6th from last of over 1200 Magisters built. As a late aircraft it never wore its current all-over yellow pre-war scheme.
However, during the couse of one of its many accident rebuilds in the 50's it aquired the fuselage of N3788, an early 1938 machine.
Therefore, for historical accuracy, I plan to apply the marks that relate to the fuselage.
Conversely, little if anything remains of V1075 that ultimately became G-AKPF on demob. It will of course remain G-AKPF - we will simply take advantage of the CAA's 'relaxed' policy on military markings in order to effect the cosmetic change. This they have already agreed to - aren't they nice?!
The other option would be to get out the olive-drab, grind the surface off those horrible shiny cowlings to key the paint in, rip the spats off and get sploshing.....
Aaaaaaargh!
Hi JDK - many thanks for the pictures, I have such a nice collection of all sorts of stuff thanks to people like you. You have a ride promised too if you remember our discussion at OW!
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The other option would be to get out the olive-drab, grind the surface off those horrible shiny cowlings to key the paint in, rip the spats off and get sploshing.....
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Hi MOTF,
I've not got any way I've figured out to post the pics here. I'll see what I can do; or could I buzz some to you and you post 'em?
As regards DX 'lurkers' on PPrune; I'm sure there are some, but I've not clocked them.
Keep the yellow please! Or how about a Turkish or Irish scheme (just to mix it up a bit...)
I'm looking forward to that ride....
Cheers
James K
I've not got any way I've figured out to post the pics here. I'll see what I can do; or could I buzz some to you and you post 'em?
As regards DX 'lurkers' on PPrune; I'm sure there are some, but I've not clocked them.
Keep the yellow please! Or how about a Turkish or Irish scheme (just to mix it up a bit...)
I'm looking forward to that ride....
Cheers
James K
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Check your PM's
JDK
happy to host them for a bit, how many you got?
If you can size them down too 700 pixels wide and less than 70kb each that would be great.
Check your PM's
JDK
happy to host them for a bit, how many you got?
If you can size them down too 700 pixels wide and less than 70kb each that would be great.
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HP - Many thanks, I've not forgotten. Sitting here grinning at the prospect... 
V1075's identity change, ah yes, of course! I've spent an enjoyable ninety minutes during my lunch hour (How on earth did I get away with that!?!?) trawling through and reminding myself. So having aquainted myself with the story again, I'm presuming the identity change is just a cosmetic one with 'V1075' replaced by 'N3788'?
Nice one HP, that should manage to confuse one or two spotters. I wonder whether any other forums might end up carrying news of a brand new Maggie having appeared at OW? Could be quite a wheeze...
One thing that today's trawl has impressed upon me though, is what an epic thread this is. And also how relaxed and lenient my boss is!!
BeauMan
V1075's identity change, ah yes, of course! I've spent an enjoyable ninety minutes during my lunch hour (How on earth did I get away with that!?!?) trawling through and reminding myself. So having aquainted myself with the story again, I'm presuming the identity change is just a cosmetic one with 'V1075' replaced by 'N3788'?
Nice one HP, that should manage to confuse one or two spotters. I wonder whether any other forums might end up carrying news of a brand new Maggie having appeared at OW? Could be quite a wheeze...
One thing that today's trawl has impressed upon me though, is what an epic thread this is. And also how relaxed and lenient my boss is!!
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Here's a thought for Hairyplane. The Duxford Maggie isn't going to fly but it will be moved from the Conservation Hangar at some stage. Wouldn't it be nice if your aircraft could be photographed with G-AFBS at some stage (and indeed the others if it could be arranged). Worth a chat with the IWM folks?
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Maggie May (just..?)
Hi Beauman - an epic thread indeed. My only disappointment is that I havent posted some of the wonderful old photos I have.
Maybe I should invite a boff over for a beer and a pie and we can really juice the thread up. MotF?? DamienB??
Words interest, photos fascinate!
Ho Ozplane - As ever, Im right up for anything. If they want me there I'll be there.
It would make a lovely picture for the magazines.
Shhhhh! I have been approached by a leading journo who wants to feature the Maggie and the Falcon this season - several pages on each.
If I told you who, I'd have to kill you.
HP
Maybe I should invite a boff over for a beer and a pie and we can really juice the thread up. MotF?? DamienB??
Words interest, photos fascinate!
Ho Ozplane - As ever, Im right up for anything. If they want me there I'll be there.
It would make a lovely picture for the magazines.
Shhhhh! I have been approached by a leading journo who wants to feature the Maggie and the Falcon this season - several pages on each.
If I told you who, I'd have to kill you.
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Well, as the Saucy Mr HP says, Pics fascinate, so here's a selection of G-AFBS, with many technical thanks to MOTF.
Fingers crossed:
A British Thompson Houston widget. These guys later got involved in the early jet manufacture IIRC.
An overall view of the a/c in November 2003
The firewall.
The Mapcase awaiting its referbishment...
The kid of suite of pictures you want when restoring an aircraft - in this case, actually correct for that machine!
The flappy things to go up and down with, with a side to side thingy at right.
The items to moderate student landings...
A Gosport tube set - amazingly rare and expensive but required for a museum level restoration.
Interior of the rear cockpit.
Showing the level of work - fuel tank in the wing centre section, the aeromodel style woodwork on the wing training edge, the access cover for the rear fuselage interior which is the floor of the luggage locker is the object on the wing.
A superb job being done here.
Cheers
James
Fingers crossed:
A British Thompson Houston widget. These guys later got involved in the early jet manufacture IIRC.
An overall view of the a/c in November 2003
The firewall.
The Mapcase awaiting its referbishment...
The kid of suite of pictures you want when restoring an aircraft - in this case, actually correct for that machine!
The flappy things to go up and down with, with a side to side thingy at right.
The items to moderate student landings...
A Gosport tube set - amazingly rare and expensive but required for a museum level restoration.
Interior of the rear cockpit.
Showing the level of work - fuel tank in the wing centre section, the aeromodel style woodwork on the wing training edge, the access cover for the rear fuselage interior which is the floor of the luggage locker is the object on the wing.
A superb job being done here.
Cheers
James
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From The Hairyplane Archives
The following piccies are from HP's own collection, a magnifcent treasuretrove of all things G-AKPF and G-AEEG. Wonderful!!
First the Maggie. The numbers by the piccies will be used by HP to give us some history behind the pictures in a following post.
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Now the Falcon, I hope I've got these in the right order.
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Thanks for letting me have a rummage through your files, it was good fun.
First the Maggie. The numbers by the piccies will be used by HP to give us some history behind the pictures in a following post.
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Now the Falcon, I hope I've got these in the right order.
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Thanks for letting me have a rummage through your files, it was good fun.
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My Maggie and Falcon (MMMmmm!!)
Firstly JDK - thanks for the Duxford Maggie pics - an exquisite restoration which is the more the pity it isn't a flier.
Secondly - MotF - thanks for coming over last night and poring over the pile of papers and photos - of which these are just a tiny selection. Not all bad though - the Hook Norton Bitter followed by the side-splitting 'Kevin and Perry Go Large' (Bangin'!!) rounded off the evening nicely.
So -
Photo 1 - A fascinating logbook entry in respect of the work required to repair the Magister following a landing accident on May 22nd 1955. The new CofA was issued in September 56.
Read para 7 and try not to chuckle! Out of context or what?! Same broom but with several replacement handles and heads over the years!
Photo 2 - Not sure but probably the 1958 Kings Cup in which the aircraft came 3rd.
Photo 3 - Foulsham 1961.
Photo 4 - Just a couple of years later and already a wingless derelict hulk - probably taken at Barrards Hill, Hadleigh.
Photo 5 - A tantalising ad in The Aeroplane, June 1936.
Photo 6 - A wonderful photo which can be dated and placed exactly. It was taken at an event in Norkopping on May 23rd 1937. The Falcon - then SE-AFN - was entered for a navigational competition. Note the Swastika fluttering in the background! I have an original programme of the event, courtesy of my dear friend Fredric Lagerquist. Fred got hold of all these old Swedish pictures for me. The hangar survives - we reenacted the scene, alas not with the other aircraft in the picture - all long since dead.
Photo 7 - Operated as an air taxi and light freighter by Nordisk Aerotjanst and named 'Kolmarden', the aircraft flew on skis in the winter to take advantage of the thousands of lakes in Sweden. In March 1938 a tragedy occurred when the aircraft landed on a lake in Salen and hit a lady walking across the lake from market to home, killing her instantly...
Photo 8 - Probably taken in the same year, the younger guy is probably the pilot/ owner K E Sandberg who learned to fly in 1936 at Woodley, bought the aircraft, flew it to Sweden and then immediately began flying it for a living!
Photo 9 - My aircraft in Swedish military sevice at Barkaby, Stockholm having been impressed. It operated continously as a 'type 7 light transport' until a lack of spares caused it to be sold in 1944. Interestingly enough, when I flew the aircraft back to Barkaby in 02, I parked next to a Leapord Moth that was powered by the exact same engine that mine left the factory with in '36!
Photo 10 - Taken in the late 50's
Photo 11 - A prized photo, for it shows the Falcon at Lymne on July 27th 1961. The bird returns home! The Swedish Authorities decreed that old wooden planes were unsafe and could not fly in Swedish airspace any more until completely overhauled by the original manufacturers. An onerous task that Ake Laurell (still flying in Sweden to this day!) decided to explore. Alas, the cost was out of all proportion to the value of his beloved aircraft and it languished at Miles, Shoreham for a couple of years until sold - for ten quid it is rumoured!. I had the honour of re-unting Ake with his aircraft and took him for a flight. I'm sure I saw a tear in his eye (and that was well after my landing!)
Treasured aircraft that I am priviledged to be the temporary custodian of, fly and share with you.
Want to see more?! MotF has loads! You post em, I'll annotate them as best I can.
All the best
HP
Secondly - MotF - thanks for coming over last night and poring over the pile of papers and photos - of which these are just a tiny selection. Not all bad though - the Hook Norton Bitter followed by the side-splitting 'Kevin and Perry Go Large' (Bangin'!!) rounded off the evening nicely.
So -
Photo 1 - A fascinating logbook entry in respect of the work required to repair the Magister following a landing accident on May 22nd 1955. The new CofA was issued in September 56.
Read para 7 and try not to chuckle! Out of context or what?! Same broom but with several replacement handles and heads over the years!
Photo 2 - Not sure but probably the 1958 Kings Cup in which the aircraft came 3rd.
Photo 3 - Foulsham 1961.
Photo 4 - Just a couple of years later and already a wingless derelict hulk - probably taken at Barrards Hill, Hadleigh.
Photo 5 - A tantalising ad in The Aeroplane, June 1936.
Photo 6 - A wonderful photo which can be dated and placed exactly. It was taken at an event in Norkopping on May 23rd 1937. The Falcon - then SE-AFN - was entered for a navigational competition. Note the Swastika fluttering in the background! I have an original programme of the event, courtesy of my dear friend Fredric Lagerquist. Fred got hold of all these old Swedish pictures for me. The hangar survives - we reenacted the scene, alas not with the other aircraft in the picture - all long since dead.
Photo 7 - Operated as an air taxi and light freighter by Nordisk Aerotjanst and named 'Kolmarden', the aircraft flew on skis in the winter to take advantage of the thousands of lakes in Sweden. In March 1938 a tragedy occurred when the aircraft landed on a lake in Salen and hit a lady walking across the lake from market to home, killing her instantly...
Photo 8 - Probably taken in the same year, the younger guy is probably the pilot/ owner K E Sandberg who learned to fly in 1936 at Woodley, bought the aircraft, flew it to Sweden and then immediately began flying it for a living!
Photo 9 - My aircraft in Swedish military sevice at Barkaby, Stockholm having been impressed. It operated continously as a 'type 7 light transport' until a lack of spares caused it to be sold in 1944. Interestingly enough, when I flew the aircraft back to Barkaby in 02, I parked next to a Leapord Moth that was powered by the exact same engine that mine left the factory with in '36!
Photo 10 - Taken in the late 50's
Photo 11 - A prized photo, for it shows the Falcon at Lymne on July 27th 1961. The bird returns home! The Swedish Authorities decreed that old wooden planes were unsafe and could not fly in Swedish airspace any more until completely overhauled by the original manufacturers. An onerous task that Ake Laurell (still flying in Sweden to this day!) decided to explore. Alas, the cost was out of all proportion to the value of his beloved aircraft and it languished at Miles, Shoreham for a couple of years until sold - for ten quid it is rumoured!. I had the honour of re-unting Ake with his aircraft and took him for a flight. I'm sure I saw a tear in his eye (and that was well after my landing!)
Treasured aircraft that I am priviledged to be the temporary custodian of, fly and share with you.
Want to see more?! MotF has loads! You post em, I'll annotate them as best I can.
All the best
HP
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OWWWW I'm not your slave!!!!
Oh ok a few more then. Same rules as before.
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And thats about all I have. Although a few hours with HP's files can easily remedy that.
Oh ok a few more then. Same rules as before.
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And thats about all I have. Although a few hours with HP's files can easily remedy that.
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MMMmmmore!
THanks MotF - I think that this thread is 'going large' !!
Photo 1 - Sywell June 1964 during restoration. The front fuselage was found to be oil soaked and in need of major reskinning.
Photo 2 - Ake Laurell, the owner from 55 -61. He flew it extensively throughout his ownership. This picture was probably taken in 1961 at his home strip. His handwriting is such that I cannot decipher the logbook entries. He looks just the same today - just a pair of specs added! He has a Bonanza today and will be around 78 years old.
Photo 3 - A very early photo, probably taken shortly after arrival in Sweden in its factory-fresh red fuz and tail, cream wings.
Photo 4 -1941 with the Swedish markings applied over the civil scheme. It didnt wear proper silver uniform until Barkaby.
Photo 5 - Late 50's/ early 60's. It looks quite ungainly with its trousers off. A clear shot of the earlier, lighter undercarriage, now with beefier Proctor components.
Phooooaaaar!
HP
Photo 1 - Sywell June 1964 during restoration. The front fuselage was found to be oil soaked and in need of major reskinning.
Photo 2 - Ake Laurell, the owner from 55 -61. He flew it extensively throughout his ownership. This picture was probably taken in 1961 at his home strip. His handwriting is such that I cannot decipher the logbook entries. He looks just the same today - just a pair of specs added! He has a Bonanza today and will be around 78 years old.
Photo 3 - A very early photo, probably taken shortly after arrival in Sweden in its factory-fresh red fuz and tail, cream wings.
Photo 4 -1941 with the Swedish markings applied over the civil scheme. It didnt wear proper silver uniform until Barkaby.
Photo 5 - Late 50's/ early 60's. It looks quite ungainly with its trousers off. A clear shot of the earlier, lighter undercarriage, now with beefier Proctor components.
Phooooaaaar!
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New Fuselage
Question for HP and others: Doesn't the aircraft registration stay with the fuselage? Fit new wings tail etc, to old fuse, still same reg, but fit old wings to new fuse, shouldn't there be a new reg? Not complaining just confuse(lage)d!
Any engineer say what is the legal thing now?
BTW, definitely like the suggested scheme on the other thread!
ATB H
Question for HP and others: Doesn't the aircraft registration stay with the fuselage? Fit new wings tail etc, to old fuse, still same reg, but fit old wings to new fuse, shouldn't there be a new reg? Not complaining just confuse(lage)d!
Any engineer say what is the legal thing now?
BTW, definitely like the suggested scheme on the other thread!
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In the meantime I have researched the two guys who carried out the ghastly
deed :---
OBERLEUTNANT;-( RAF= Flt/Lt.) Harry Kurt Wappler who.s Heinkel 111 (serial
No2670) collided with barrage-balloon cables after a night attack on
Ellsmere port Fri.13th (unlucky!) Sept.1940 at 3.30am. He bailed-out, 3
other perished, A/C crashed at 32 Stow Park Avenue, Newport, S/Wales.
LEUTNANT:-(RAF= Pilot/Off.) HEINZ ("not 57") Schnabel shot-down in
Messerschmitt 109 (serial No1985) 10am.Thurs.Sept.5th. 1940 at Handen Farm,
Nr, Aldington. Kent. *--------*-it's interesting to note that almost to the
minute, OBERLEUTNANT:- Frans Von Werra, ( notorious as the only German
airman to escape ), was shot-down at Marden, Kent. This was depicted
in the film :- "THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY",-------rather ironical
!!!!!!!!--------- did'nt do him any good though,----he was killed in
Oct.1944. Perhaps WAPPLER & SCHNABLEL should thank their lucky stars that
they did'nt "make it".!!
The"culprits" met up in a converted hotel for prisoners-of-war at SHAP
WELLS, Cumberland & from there planned the escape for Sun, Nov.23rd.1941
The "Maggie" used was R1967 based at 15 EFTS. KINGSTOWN, north of CARLISLE,
they were fitted with "blind flying hoods" to the rear cockpits. ====
R1967 bore large No 29 on port & starb. cowlings ( I wonder if there are
any pictures of her around ? ).
You may like to print-out the above details to add to what I will
photo-copy, it should make a good item in your records.
Footnote:-
I have always been a bit dubious about the colour scheme of O/Ws. "Maggie",
as I never saw one with yellow rudder with serial No.'s. on it when in
wartime training scheme, ---- could it be wrong???
The above got posted prematurely - I was still working on it! Finger trouble....?
It is a cut and paste from an Email sent to me by my good friend Les 'Dusty' Miller regarding a Maggie that got nicked by 2 German POW's.
I'll post the rest of the story when I receive it.
Nearly 10,000 hits! A lot more to come I reckon. This thread contains some very interesting material indeed.
Plenty to read when the weather is as cr@ppy as this and we can't fly!
All the best
HP
deed :---
OBERLEUTNANT;-( RAF= Flt/Lt.) Harry Kurt Wappler who.s Heinkel 111 (serial
No2670) collided with barrage-balloon cables after a night attack on
Ellsmere port Fri.13th (unlucky!) Sept.1940 at 3.30am. He bailed-out, 3
other perished, A/C crashed at 32 Stow Park Avenue, Newport, S/Wales.
LEUTNANT:-(RAF= Pilot/Off.) HEINZ ("not 57") Schnabel shot-down in
Messerschmitt 109 (serial No1985) 10am.Thurs.Sept.5th. 1940 at Handen Farm,
Nr, Aldington. Kent. *--------*-it's interesting to note that almost to the
minute, OBERLEUTNANT:- Frans Von Werra, ( notorious as the only German
airman to escape ), was shot-down at Marden, Kent. This was depicted
in the film :- "THE ONE THAT GOT AWAY",-------rather ironical
!!!!!!!!--------- did'nt do him any good though,----he was killed in
Oct.1944. Perhaps WAPPLER & SCHNABLEL should thank their lucky stars that
they did'nt "make it".!!
The"culprits" met up in a converted hotel for prisoners-of-war at SHAP
WELLS, Cumberland & from there planned the escape for Sun, Nov.23rd.1941
The "Maggie" used was R1967 based at 15 EFTS. KINGSTOWN, north of CARLISLE,
they were fitted with "blind flying hoods" to the rear cockpits. ====
R1967 bore large No 29 on port & starb. cowlings ( I wonder if there are
any pictures of her around ? ).
You may like to print-out the above details to add to what I will
photo-copy, it should make a good item in your records.
Footnote:-
I have always been a bit dubious about the colour scheme of O/Ws. "Maggie",
as I never saw one with yellow rudder with serial No.'s. on it when in
wartime training scheme, ---- could it be wrong???
The above got posted prematurely - I was still working on it! Finger trouble....?
It is a cut and paste from an Email sent to me by my good friend Les 'Dusty' Miller regarding a Maggie that got nicked by 2 German POW's.
I'll post the rest of the story when I receive it.
Nearly 10,000 hits! A lot more to come I reckon. This thread contains some very interesting material indeed.
Plenty to read when the weather is as cr@ppy as this and we can't fly!
All the best
HP
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Monarch AFRZ / AIDE
Mention of Bob Mitchell's AFRZ Monarch - that had been AIDE at various times too, reminded me of some things I found in the attic recently. Including these two gems from the air races in 1957. Enjoy.
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Further to HPs' post, more can be found on the attempted escape in a Maggie here.............
http://pub157.ezboard.com/fluftwaffe...picID=38.topic
http://pub157.ezboard.com/fluftwaffe...picID=38.topic
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Does anybody know where I could possibly find old pictures of my very own MMMMMMMMiles madness, Gemini G-AKEK? I'm sure there must be some out there, but finding them is the problem.
The A.J Jackson Collection has two photos of the aircraft that should be on it's way to me now, but what about other sources? Anyone of you fellow Miles nerds know anything?
The A.J Jackson Collection has two photos of the aircraft that should be on it's way to me now, but what about other sources? Anyone of you fellow Miles nerds know anything?