Name that Flying Machine
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From: Ferrara
21 minutes - before FV get it - hard to get a picture that didn't give it away I'm afraid - it was pretty distinctive. From Google:-
The General Aircraft ST-18 Croydon was a 1930s British cabin monoplane built by General Aircraft Limited (who were originally Croydon based).Following the mixed success of the earlier Monospar family of aircraft, the company designed a ten-seat light transport, the ST-18 (later named Croydon). Due to the longer-span wing, it was not a cantilever monospar wing but had to be fitted with bracing struts. The ST-18 was a low-wing monoplane, with a conventional tail unit and tailwheel landing gear, and hydraulically retractable main gear. It was powered by two Pratt & It was powered by two Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior radial engines mounted on the wing leading edges. It had a crew of three, and a cabin for ten passengers, a toilet and baggage compartment.[1]
On 16 November 1935, the sole aircraft (T22, later G-AECB) first flew at Hanworth Aerodrome, piloted by Harry M. Schofield. It performed well, but did not attract any orders, so the aircraft was prepared to establish a record for an Australia to England flight. On 30 July 1936, Lord Sempill, Harold "Tim" Wood, and two other crew left Croydon Airport for Australia. On 7 October 1936, during the return flight from Darwin, navigation errors occurred during the flight over the Timor Sea, and the aircraft made a successful forced landing on a coral reef (Seringapatam Reef). The crew members were immediately transported off the reef by local fishermen, and the aircraft was abandoned.
Our French based friend has the con......
The General Aircraft ST-18 Croydon was a 1930s British cabin monoplane built by General Aircraft Limited (who were originally Croydon based).Following the mixed success of the earlier Monospar family of aircraft, the company designed a ten-seat light transport, the ST-18 (later named Croydon). Due to the longer-span wing, it was not a cantilever monospar wing but had to be fitted with bracing struts. The ST-18 was a low-wing monoplane, with a conventional tail unit and tailwheel landing gear, and hydraulically retractable main gear. It was powered by two Pratt & It was powered by two Pratt & Whitney Wasp Junior radial engines mounted on the wing leading edges. It had a crew of three, and a cabin for ten passengers, a toilet and baggage compartment.[1]
On 16 November 1935, the sole aircraft (T22, later G-AECB) first flew at Hanworth Aerodrome, piloted by Harry M. Schofield. It performed well, but did not attract any orders, so the aircraft was prepared to establish a record for an Australia to England flight. On 30 July 1936, Lord Sempill, Harold "Tim" Wood, and two other crew left Croydon Airport for Australia. On 7 October 1936, during the return flight from Darwin, navigation errors occurred during the flight over the Timor Sea, and the aircraft made a successful forced landing on a coral reef (Seringapatam Reef). The crew members were immediately transported off the reef by local fishermen, and the aircraft was abandoned.
Our French based friend has the con......
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Thank you, Asturias56. The Monospars are always distinctive in their forward areas because, unlike so many twins, the engine cowlings and the nose are broadly inline (rather than the former being aft of the latter).
Continuing with the use of cropping, here's an image that I've cropped to exclude this aeroplane's most distinctive feature.
Continuing with the use of cropping, here's an image that I've cropped to exclude this aeroplane's most distinctive feature.
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Today I received this rather curious PM from Fauteuil Volant:
Good morning SLB
For some reason unknown to me, someone unknown to me appears to have decided to deny me access to the Aviation History & Nostalgia Board (but not, curiously, the rest of the forum). For that reason I've not been able to respond to the posts, subsequent to my clue of yesterday, on the 'Name that Flying Machine' topic. Thus would you please do me a favour and, by way of a valedictory comment, post that the mystery aeroplane is the Peyret/SFCA Taupin and the Mickey Jupp song, offered as a clue, is 'Cross Country', the Taupin having been developed, post-war, as the Lignel 44 Cross Country. And if you'll do so, that will conclude my involvement with that topic and, in all probability, the PPRuNe forum.
Regards Fauteuil Volant
I do not know if there have been any or previous exchanges between the mods and Fauteuil.
I do not want to start any discussion on that.
I do hope that this is all some kind of error or mistake and that we may welcome back Fauteuil in the near future.
My next challenge:
Good morning SLB
For some reason unknown to me, someone unknown to me appears to have decided to deny me access to the Aviation History & Nostalgia Board (but not, curiously, the rest of the forum). For that reason I've not been able to respond to the posts, subsequent to my clue of yesterday, on the 'Name that Flying Machine' topic. Thus would you please do me a favour and, by way of a valedictory comment, post that the mystery aeroplane is the Peyret/SFCA Taupin and the Mickey Jupp song, offered as a clue, is 'Cross Country', the Taupin having been developed, post-war, as the Lignel 44 Cross Country. And if you'll do so, that will conclude my involvement with that topic and, in all probability, the PPRuNe forum.
Regards Fauteuil Volant
I do not know if there have been any or previous exchanges between the mods and Fauteuil.
I do not want to start any discussion on that.
I do hope that this is all some kind of error or mistake and that we may welcome back Fauteuil in the near future.
My next challenge:
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Thank you for your message which clarifies a lot.
I understand you have been triggered by the 21 minute response of Fauteuil.
That was indeed quite fast.
Officially the 24 hour rule was lifted by the Mods some months ago.
I understand it is again in force.
I agree with your intention that this should be an international thread in which pprunes from all time zones should be enabled to contribute.
In the last month I personally have PMed one or two Quick contributors to warn them not to spoil the search for others. In these threads one does not get points for the quickest answer.
Each should obtain ones satisfaction by solving the mystery themselves.
If the challenge is so easy that one can answer it quickly, the satisfaction must also be less?
I leave those challenges for others to ponder over as they apparently have not fully understood the clues.
If you feel the urge to post a lot of challenges yourself, you do not have to answer quickly because there are lots of opportunities to post at Open House.
Quick answering and then declare Open House certainly does not help anyone.
Long time contributors will see that I learned some things myself and I apologize for having sinned.
Rob, via PMs I know Fauteuil has understood this.
I think your post above would have been enough warning.
Blocking without warning or clarification will not reach your goal.
I hope you are willing to end the blocking soon?
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To repeat the discussions from earlier this year; the 24 hour rule applies to a new challenge, not to posts answering an existing challenge. The three threads were becoming a spotters game dominated by some UK based members who would turn over sometimes 3 or 4 challenges in a day, off-putting for other PPRuNers around the world.
Thanks
Thanks
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"Each should obtain ones satisfaction by solving the mystery themselves. If the challenge is so easy that one can answer it quickly, the satisfaction must also be less?
I leave those challenges for others to ponder over as they apparently have not fully understood the clues."
beautifully put Bear - its the chase that is the thing on these challenges
I leave those challenges for others to ponder over as they apparently have not fully understood the clues."
beautifully put Bear - its the chase that is the thing on these challenges
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Baldwin, Bell, McCurdy, Curtiss, Selfridge ,`June Bug`....1911
OH if correct...
and I have flown something similar from the same era...much respect to those pioneers....
OH if correct...
and I have flown something similar from the same era...much respect to those pioneers....
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Yes, the June bug.
Flown by Curtiss as being member of the Aerial Experiment Association.
The prints are from the patent application.
On this Graham Alexander Bell was the first
OH called
Flown by Curtiss as being member of the Aerial Experiment Association.
The prints are from the patent application.
On this Graham Alexander Bell was the first
OH called
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SLB, I used to fly /display aircraft of the Shuttleworth Collection between 1974-2000 and flew a lot of aircraft of the Collection,but not all,but I did fly the Bristol Boxkite and the Avro Triplane..It would take me from now to Christmas to `write it up`,as I am only competent at 1-finger typing,however ,there is/was a book written`From Bleriot to Spitfire`,which describes the aircraft characteristics in great detail by Neil Williams...It may be still on sale direct from the SC,or by the `riverside`place...Xmas present...? or maybe someone on here could copy+paste it here...To give a flavour,imagine you really are in a `Fauteil Volant` flying over the countryside at between 20 -45 knots........wind whistling up your trousers,flies in the teeth,deafened by having to run the engine,behind you at max RPM,holding on to a broomstick control column with 2 hands,with minimum lateral and longitudinal stability,marginal directional stability,knowing ,if the engine quits,if you look down between your knees,that will be where you are going to end up.......what a great way to enjoy a calm Summers evening...Great fun...!!!
If you watch a video of a modern `canard equipped` fighter on an approach,or manoeuvring ,you`ll notice the `canard` is working overtime,all by FBW and computers,probably 3,...we did that in the Boxkite.....!!just `by wires,and no computer.....
taken me 45 mins.to write that.....
If you watch a video of a modern `canard equipped` fighter on an approach,or manoeuvring ,you`ll notice the `canard` is working overtime,all by FBW and computers,probably 3,...we did that in the Boxkite.....!!just `by wires,and no computer.....
taken me 45 mins.to write that.....