Name that Flying Machine

[sablatnic]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

Meleager, I think MReyn is referring to the previous mystery picture - the type is rather similar to those Austrian light aircraft from the 1960s whose name escapes me.

Self Loading Bear, five Nenes I think it was.

You aren't thinking of the Fanliner and Fantrainer from Rhein Flugzeugbau?

[treadigraph]

No, Brditschka's line of light aircraft...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brditschka_HB-3

[MReyn24050]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

No, Brditschka's line of light aircraft...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brditschka_HB-3

Thanks treadigraph for the link
Looking at the Brand JB-2 photograph again it is possible to make out the lower link and one assumes the top link is via the propeller hub in a similar fashion to the HB Brditschka HB 23 2400. The HB design is much more substantial.

[washoutt]

Looking sat the JB-2, with such a structural arrangement,one wonders about the bending moments with rudder deflections, not to mention fatigue stress at the prop hub.

[Self loading bear]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

Treadigraph,

Either everybody is waiting on your return, or they do not have anything to post themselves.
Anyway I found back Kurt Tank’s Argentinian project IA36 Condor.
Do we really have used all real flying aircraft already?

[treadigraph]

I wasn't aware threads is just for completed and flown aircraft, thought it was an interesting if flawed design,.of which I had never heard. Well done for finding it and your control...

Originally Posted by meleagertoo

And yet more astounded to learn who all-but copied it some years later.

Who was that and what was the design?

[Self loading bear]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

I wasn't aware threads is just for completed and flown aircraft, thought it was an interesting if flawed design,.of which I had never heard. Well done for finding it and your control...

Thank you Treadi,

Well the rules are not written in stone. And if I would have found it inappropriate I would not have answered it.
This was a clearly recognizable design in an advanced stage and windtunnel tests have been done.

I just think we must not let ourselves slip that we are going to post all garden shed made flip-flap helicopter fabrications which couldn’t hop over the chicken fence. (exaggerated, but I am sure all posters will get the drift)
Onwards and upwards.

Now this:

[Allan Lupton]

Pobjoy engines I think, but it's not a British aeroplane. Based on SLB's location I'll suggest it's Dutch (or Dutch colonial).

[meleagertoo]

Originally Posted by treadigraph

Who was that and what was the design?

Armstrong Whitworth 167.
All but a carbon-copy!
Powered by - guess what - five Sapphires! What was the attraction with 5 engines for this configuration I wonder?

[treadigraph]

Thanks, that is similar... also both designs scream "Caravelle" though I think that was designed about the same time though possibly slightly earlier?

[meleagertoo]

Caravelle was concieved c.1952 and flew in 1955.
The AW167 was reportedly a project from 1955 but there is precious little to be found about it.
The first thing I thought looking at the Condor was Caravelle influence and that project allegedly started in 1951 but at what stage it began to look so like a Caravelle is anyone's guess. Of course they all must have been heavily influenced by the Comet which was the Daddy of them all; we know the Caravelle was part Comet anyway.

[Allan Lupton]

Originally Posted by meleagertoo

Of course they all must have been heavily influenced by the Comet which was the Daddy of them all; we know the Caravelle was part Comet anyway.

There was an early DH106 project which was a canard and which had three engines buried in the rear fuselage. We were able to quote that layout when Sud Aviation wanted us to pay royalties for the rear-engined layout of the Trident.

[meleagertoo]

Oh, it's dutch colonial alright, and a very interesting design, though about as obscure as any challenge we've had here.
Shame it didn't survive the war, it might have made a name for itself.

[Self loading bear]

Very accurate suggestion of Allan!
I should have started with this beautiful tailwheel:

[Self loading bear]

Last clue

[Allan Lupton]

Well, since PK was Dutch East Indies one can conclude it was one of Laurens Walraven's designs and I'll say it was Walraven 2 - found on the internet so unreliable. but it's all I can offer.

[Self loading bear]

Originally Posted by Allan Lupton

Well, since PK was Dutch East Indies one can conclude it was one of Laurens Walraven's designs and I'll say it was Walraven 2 - found on the internet so unreliable. but it's all I can offer.

It definitely is Allan!
over to you.

[Allan Lupton]

Thanks SLB! I can't offer such an elegant aeroplane and I expect this is well-known but here it is anyway:

[oxenos]

Beardmore Inflexible.. OH if corect.

[Allan Lupton]

I think I cannot reply until it's been posted for 24 hours, so 19:24 this evening