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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 19:07
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FIAT G.80? One from the dark recesses via old Observer's Books
God bless William Green. 🙌
Over to you Pypard.
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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 19:59
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OK how about this handsome chap?


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Old 2nd Jan 2022, 20:08
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Kinner Playboy R-5? Pretty sure that's a Kinner engine.
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 16:19
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Well that didn't take long: over to you ea200!
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 19:37
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Handome toy!
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Old 3rd Jan 2022, 23:03
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Thanks Pypard. Happy New Year to all on this thread. Have a go at this one:


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Old 4th Jan 2022, 02:23
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Going back to the Kinner Playboy, it is clear that a lot of effort was put into streamlining and drag reduction. I often wonder why the designer just didn't build a cantilever wing and get rid of all those wires. Was the weight penalty too much?
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 06:11
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Going back to the Kinner Playboy, it is clear that a lot of effort was put into streamlining and drag reduction. I often wonder why the designer just didn't build a cantilever wing and get rid of all those wires. Was the weight penalty too much?
The arrangement is very much like the Boeing P-26; a braced monoplane with heavy emphasis on streamlining. I have seen it a lot and assume it's just the natural evolution from biplane to fully cantilevered metal monoplane. Possibly more about confidence of the designer and confidence of the owner/passenger than anything else? It does remind me of chicken rivets on composite structure, so again there isn't anything new under the sun...
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Old 4th Jan 2022, 12:01
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Pypard,

As you said, probably natural evolution in design ideas and confidence. Some designers were obviously evolving their thinking faster than others. Only three years after the Playboy’s first flight in 1933, the 200 mph Spartan Executive flew:




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Old 6th Jan 2022, 03:00
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Originally Posted by India Four Two
Pypard,
Only three years after the Playboy’s first flight in 1933, the 200 mph Spartan Executive flew.
A Kinner was somewhere around $3,000 back then.
The Spartan - $23,500.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 00:37
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Don't want to derail the thead but Mr Rininger is a pretty fine photographer.
Very nice shot.
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 20:59
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Nobody biting on this challenge yet. Does this help?



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Old 7th Jan 2022, 21:16
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Lord! What was the mindset back then of not wanting/needing to see forward?
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 22:30
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Armed and dangerous?
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Old 7th Jan 2022, 22:50
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Dangerous possibly. Armed no. Although it was designed to carry defensive weaponary but never did.
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 21:31
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Looks like a German 6 in line motor but could not find any matching German ww1 aircraft?
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Old 9th Jan 2022, 23:09
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It is indeed a 6cyl German engine. Water cooled as you may have seen from the underslung radiator. It is not a German aircraft though and it is post WW1. Been very quiet on this challenge and I was going to post further clues shortly. But I will let you and others ponder things for a little longer.
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Old 10th Jan 2022, 15:36
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Further clue required I think. This aircraft was the only example of the type and AKAIK it only flew once, with the designer/builder at the controls. I've flown some types with poor visibility but I wouldn't fancy that one.
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Old 10th Jan 2022, 16:04
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Designed to be slung under something much bigger?
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Old 10th Jan 2022, 16:25
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I don't believe so and I very much doubt it. It had a MAUW of over 1.25 metric tons.
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