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Old 7th Aug 2020, 16:48
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Aero Commander L-3805?
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 16:56
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Originally Posted by BCMG CAVOK
Aero Commander L-3805?
This looks like an answer for the the current challenge on Name that flying machine????
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Old 8th Aug 2020, 10:57
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Originally Posted by BCMG CAVOK
Aero Commander L-3805?
It's almost a copy of post #1828. Not a serious guess, surely...?
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Old 8th Aug 2020, 11:38
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Not from the same country as the Aero
this is a photos of the somewhat lighter version.


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Old 10th Aug 2020, 09:48
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Another clue seems required:

It is a jet-trainer but it is not a jet trainer.
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RFB Fantrainer.....OH if correct...
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Old 10th Aug 2020, 13:50
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Originally Posted by sycamore
RFB Fantrainer.....OH if correct...
Exactly!

OH called
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 22:06
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In order to pull this thread from the dungeons:


Bonus points for the name of the pilot
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Old 8th Sep 2020, 23:10
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Possibly an Emeraude,or Jodel
possibly a `star`,judging by the watch, who has just done his first solo,as his tie has had a `snip`.....
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 08:21
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I'll go for the bonus points: Reinhard Mey.
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 10:45
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Originally Posted by Jhieminga
I'll go for the bonus points: Reinhard Mey.
Good spot. Probably Wilhelmshaven then. Doesn't look like an Emeraude more like a Jodel coaming. Maybe a D117 or D119.
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Old 9th Sep 2020, 20:51
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Reinhard Mey is correct.
Wilhelmshafen is then probably also correct as Reinhard did his first solo flight from there and his Tie has been clipped.

Now I need to confess that I do not have the final answer myself on the aircraft.
I have checked the suggestions but up to now I have not found a dashboard that is roughly the same.
The divided dash upper/lower can be found on both suggested makes.
But I have not found pictures of dashboards of which the lower half has an arched extension (downwards) in the middle.

Further clues to search could perhaps be:
The Ball shaped choke/lever on a pin (see shadow)
or the type plate in view in center of the left seat?

So who can help me (us) further on this?


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You could email him...?
Could be a SIPA/Gardan
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 00:20
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I think that might be Wilhelm Tank's hangar in the background. I have contacts there but I will only resort to that if nothing else turns up. Mey's contact details are available but perhaps not in the spirit of the game? SIPA cockpit pictures are hard to find but the coaming looks the right shape.
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Better version of the photo here: https://www.swr.de/swr4/bw/musik-eve...9rz/index.html
I would hazard a guess that the shadow of a ball shaped choke/lever is the throttle.

Edit: there's a prominent t-handle at the top left of the panel. Could that be a tow-hook release?

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Originally Posted by Jhieminga
Better version of the photo here: https://www.swr.de/swr4/bw/musik-eve...9rz/index.html
I would hazard a guess that the shadow of a ball shaped choke/lever is the throttle.

Edit: there's a prominent t-handle at the top left of the panel. Could that be a tow-hook release?
Seems an unlikely place for a hook release. The only ones I've come across have been on the floor (C172) or sidewall (Pawnee). The linkage would be somewhat convoluted from where that T handle is and instrument panels don't tend to be that robust. Mind you, I've no idea what else it could be.

Unless of course it's a parking brake?

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Old 10th Sep 2020, 23:39
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Originally Posted by sycamore
You could email him...?
Could be a SIPA/Gardan
The SIPAís all seem to have a handgrip at the top of the windscreen.
I might drop him an email to get final closure.
For the mean time, it turns out to be a rather good challenge. Keep those suggestions coming!
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How about an MS 880B. The coaming looks right and I've found a picture showing a T handle in that spot.
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I read in an interview that he learned to fly with a guy called Uli Cop, who later died in an aerobatic accident. The lead didn't get me anywhere though.

Edit: I had a look at the MS880, I agree that it is most likely this type. The T-handle, the angle of the lower panel with the curve next to the knee, the other levers along the bottom edge all appear to fit. I thought it might be a taildragger but the Rallye also has a bit of a nose up stance on the ground.


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Old 11th Sep 2020, 18:41
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Originally Posted by ea200
How about an MS 880B. The coaming looks right and I've found a picture showing a T handle in that spot.
I think you are correct. I also found some photos of MS 893ís with similar dash.
But that is just a follow up on the MS 880.
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