What Cockpit?
This doesn't add much to the challenge, but it's a nice photo.
Last edited by India Four Two; 25th Feb 2022 at 16:44.
What's a trainer doing with multiple data inputs and outputs?
Single engine
Hydraulics
Reflector gunsights? (2 off) not HUD surely?
What are those great tubes on the top of the panel?
No engine instrumentation visible at all, just one maybe two fuel related gauges. (doubtless others out of view but hardly seem comprehensive)
'Throttle" appears to be annotated OFF-IDLE-ON...rocket?
Appreciable effort to provide heating
Very basic IFF
Doesn't even look like a bang-seat!
No sign of avionics/radios or nav kit beyond odd and very basic selectors.
Unusual attention to VHF nav and probably ILS or similar too - that looks rather civvy that.
Seriously unusual control column.
Experimental is my guess. It isn't an X-plane though.
American?
Single engine
Hydraulics
Reflector gunsights? (2 off) not HUD surely?
What are those great tubes on the top of the panel?
No engine instrumentation visible at all, just one maybe two fuel related gauges. (doubtless others out of view but hardly seem comprehensive)
'Throttle" appears to be annotated OFF-IDLE-ON...rocket?
Appreciable effort to provide heating
Very basic IFF
Doesn't even look like a bang-seat!
No sign of avionics/radios or nav kit beyond odd and very basic selectors.
Unusual attention to VHF nav and probably ILS or similar too - that looks rather civvy that.
Seriously unusual control column.
Experimental is my guess. It isn't an X-plane though.
American?
Last edited by meleagertoo; 25th Feb 2022 at 20:32.
I'd wondered about radar but saw no sign of optical features in there and thought otherwise.
Looks like someone knows then!!
A radar-equipped fighter/interceptor trainer...
The thick plottens...
'as it got an 'ook?
Looks like someone knows then!!
A radar-equipped fighter/interceptor trainer...
The thick plottens...
'as it got an 'ook?
Beamr has "radar identified" it!
1950s, single-engine, gunsights, seats are missing in the picture.
Not experimental, it was an operational trainer version of a well-known single seater, which had the same weird stick.
American. No 'ook!
1950s, single-engine, gunsights, seats are missing in the picture.
Not experimental, it was an operational trainer version of a well-known single seater, which had the same weird stick.
American. No 'ook!
Come on Beamr, don't be shy!
Slb is next inline with a 'cloggy' ID.
Slb is next inline with a 'cloggy' ID.
Last edited by India Four Two; 25th Feb 2022 at 22:46.
Alrighty then, I42 presented us with the almighty Convair TF-102 Delta Dagger trainer. 111 built apparently so not such a rarity at its day. Must say that the side-by-side seating was a tough puzzle.
Last edited by Beamr; 26th Feb 2022 at 07:55. Reason: realised I am being hasty delivering the next challenge...
"Me being a cocky SOB I am not even waiting for a confirmation... What has such a comfortable looking seat"
Careful - doing that got me a months ban at Christmas - best to wait..........................
Careful - doing that got me a months ban at Christmas - best to wait..........................
I apologise the above and will remove the challenge.
We will wait for I42's confirmation.
|Enthusiasm is dangerous on here!!
interesting posts while I was sleeping! 
Does that mean TAPs are not tolerated? 
Beamr has it - the TF-102A Delta Dagger.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convai...2_Delta_Dagger
Here's a picture I took of the one on Century Circle at the West Gate of Edwards AFB:
As I said, it's a cozy cockpit:
The pilot in the left seat in the picture I previously posted is Gordon Cooper, one of the Mercury 7.
Slb was referring to a Netherlands-based USAF TF-102A named Bubbles, with clogs painted on the nose. I found a picture but now have lost the reference!
Does anyone know the origin of the strange bi-furcated stick?
Beamr has control.
Enthusiasm is dangerous on here!!
Beamr has it - the TF-102A Delta Dagger.
To train F-102A pilots, the TF-102A trainer was developed, with 111 eventually manufactured. The aircraft was designed with side-by-side seating to facilitate pilot training, a popular concept in the 1950s (also used with the American Cessna T-37, British Hawker Hunter T.7 and English Electric Lightning T.4, among others). This required a redesign of the cockpit and a nose almost as wide as that of a Convair 340 commercial airliner. The new nose introduced buffeting, the source of which was traced to the bulbous canopy. Vortex generators were added to the top of the canopy to prevent the buffet which had started at about Mach 0.72. The intake ducts were revised as the inlets were repositioned. Despite the many changes, the aircraft was combat-capable, although this variant was predictably slower, reaching only subsonic speeds in level flight.
Here's a picture I took of the one on Century Circle at the West Gate of Edwards AFB:
As I said, it's a cozy cockpit:
The pilot in the left seat in the picture I previously posted is Gordon Cooper, one of the Mercury 7.
Slb was referring to a Netherlands-based USAF TF-102A named Bubbles, with clogs painted on the nose. I found a picture but now have lost the reference!
Does anyone know the origin of the strange bi-furcated stick?
Beamr has control.
unpressurized twin, not very advanced (only the very essential information is there), though someone tried really hard to make it look exclusive. Looks like Bentley has mated with a Skoda.
Is this a kit or maybe a one-off demonstrator?
Is this a kit or maybe a one-off demonstrator?
Not a kit plane.
Several built
Hardly distinguishable from the other models in the range so I will give you all some slack on that.
Extensive glass fiber used for a reason.
Walnut dashboard probably due to demonstrator version.
Several built
Hardly distinguishable from the other models in the range so I will give you all some slack on that.
Extensive glass fiber used for a reason.
Walnut dashboard probably due to demonstrator version.