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LM - you can't do that! I'm in a different time zone (can't sleep) and I want to play!!!
I'm waiting for an answer from Bradenav to my question......
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This modified W33 is not on the net : the challenge was to recognise a Junkers ( Ridge runner did it ) ,and then a W33 ,and you, LM, did it ...
cheers
Richard
This modified W33 is not on the net : the challenge was to recognise a Junkers ( Ridge runner did it ) ,and then a W33 ,and you, LM, did it ...
cheers
Richard
Silhouette Challenge - Guidelines
Several players have mutually agreed on the following guidelines for this thread. These are largely designed to avoid “stalled” threads and to reflect a common sense approach.
1. The posted image should be a silhouette of a complete aircraft. Before posting please check the sticky, "What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest lists" to make sure your proposed challenge has not been posted before.
2. Only the person who has set the challenge may confirm that someone has correctly identified the aircraft. That person should then post their own challenge or declare Open House.
3. Only post a challenge if you are able to remain onlineor periodically check the forum. If you know you are going to be offline for some time, in the interests of other forum participants please declare Open House
4. In the event that the person posting the challenge has not responded to a guess or question within 12 hours, or someone who was the winner of the previous challenge has not posted a new challenge within 12 hours (unless they have declared Open House) then the competition will be null and void and it will become Open House.
5. Remember that we have contributors who are on substantially different time zones, so don't expect immediate responses from Australia when it’s the afternoon in Europe!
6. If things are moving slowly then please progressively add clues so that people do not lose interest.
7. Please make sure that when submitting a challenge from your own sources there is some reference to it on the web, be it a photo, artists impression or 3-view.
8. Please exercise discretion regarding precise variants and even names of aircraft. A P-51 Mustang is good enough to identify a P-51K. Similarly a Rockwell Sparrow Commander is good enough to identify a Callair A-9, and so on.
Finally there is advice for posting images on the sticky “Image Posting on PPRuNe” but if anyone needs additional guidance please feel free to ask.
Remember this is a bit of fun, so enjoy the forum….!
Several players have mutually agreed on the following guidelines for this thread. These are largely designed to avoid “stalled” threads and to reflect a common sense approach.
1. The posted image should be a silhouette of a complete aircraft. Before posting please check the sticky, "What Cockpit and What Aerodrome latest lists" to make sure your proposed challenge has not been posted before.
2. Only the person who has set the challenge may confirm that someone has correctly identified the aircraft. That person should then post their own challenge or declare Open House.
3. Only post a challenge if you are able to remain onlineor periodically check the forum. If you know you are going to be offline for some time, in the interests of other forum participants please declare Open House
4. In the event that the person posting the challenge has not responded to a guess or question within 12 hours, or someone who was the winner of the previous challenge has not posted a new challenge within 12 hours (unless they have declared Open House) then the competition will be null and void and it will become Open House.
5. Remember that we have contributors who are on substantially different time zones, so don't expect immediate responses from Australia when it’s the afternoon in Europe!
6. If things are moving slowly then please progressively add clues so that people do not lose interest.
7. Please make sure that when submitting a challenge from your own sources there is some reference to it on the web, be it a photo, artists impression or 3-view.
8. Please exercise discretion regarding precise variants and even names of aircraft. A P-51 Mustang is good enough to identify a P-51K. Similarly a Rockwell Sparrow Commander is good enough to identify a Callair A-9, and so on.
Finally there is advice for posting images on the sticky “Image Posting on PPRuNe” but if anyone needs additional guidance please feel free to ask.
Remember this is a bit of fun, so enjoy the forum….!
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LM - with no disrespect meant at all, who came up with these guidelines? When this latest thread started in 2008 there were many references to other sources than the web (in fact the early posts were from books). The fact that challenges are posted puts them on the web. If we stick to what is available now then how is our ever increasing knowledge of past aircraft realised? I think this a fantastic thread and your contribution to it is enormous but I don't think we should be limited solely to what exists on the web today. That W33, that you identified correctly, is great example of this. You clearly got it because, after a bit research, you matched the wings. For me this is what the whole challenge is about and well done. Yes it's a kind of competition but surely we need to learn too?
The fact that challenges are posted puts them on the web.
Who cane up with them?.......
...five of the regular thread players who were becoming pissed off - that's who....
The image of the present challenge is on the web.
but I don't think we should be limited solely to what exists on the web today.
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What the hell is going on guys? The most important GUIDELINE of all.....
To reiterate LM's comments, the guidelines were set by a number of the regulars who recognised that despite the wealth of information on the web, we were still getting challenges (of which I for one was guilty) in respect of aircraft where there was no picture/drawing/3-view available on the web. No problem to those of us who have a multitude of books, but it was unfair on those who did not. So to put everyone on a level playing field, some time back a set of guidelines were posted for comment, and following comments at the time, they were amended and published.
Spook, if this isn't for you then thats fine, but disappointing. But the thread is set as a "friendly competition" and not specifically an education process, although clearly our collective knowledge expands as the thread goes on. If research into types that do not appear on the web is your interest then this really isn't the right forum for you. If however you want to test your id skills with exactly the same information available to you as the rest of us, then this is not a bad place to be!
However, going back to previous comments, I have no problem with the modified Junkers W33 challenge. The W33 is on the net and ultimately the twin engine modification is not difficult to recognise, once of course you've worked out its a W33!
Anyway apologies for this lengthy tone, but it seems we have forgotten what this is all about.
Let's play!
Remember this is a bit of fun,
Spook, if this isn't for you then thats fine, but disappointing. But the thread is set as a "friendly competition" and not specifically an education process, although clearly our collective knowledge expands as the thread goes on. If research into types that do not appear on the web is your interest then this really isn't the right forum for you. If however you want to test your id skills with exactly the same information available to you as the rest of us, then this is not a bad place to be!
However, going back to previous comments, I have no problem with the modified Junkers W33 challenge. The W33 is on the net and ultimately the twin engine modification is not difficult to recognise, once of course you've worked out its a W33!
Anyway apologies for this lengthy tone, but it seems we have forgotten what this is all about.
Let's play!
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Good morning gentlemen,
Having looked at the overnight comments I'll add my tuppence worth.
Not wishing to appear to sit on the fence, I do find myself in agreement with all of the sentiments expressed!
LM is justifiably aggrieved by the amount of time and effort put in by who knows how many interested viewers, who as we now know, stood no chance of succeeding in finding details of that particular aircraft and probably lost interest, due to the frustration and the resultant very slow pace of the thread, which certainly wasn't fun!
skytrain is happy with the challenge as it eventually panned out, and so am I, but with the following caveat:
If only Richard had followed this up with "This actual variant is not on the Web; the Challenge is to identify the manufacturer, plus the basic model on which this modification was based and these are well represented" then all would have been clear, I agree that it still wouldn't have fully complied with "Guideline 7", but it would have been an interesting challenge, rapidly solved and as spook points out, something from which we could all learn and add to the knowledge base!
I have been participating in this thread for just over a year now and have learnt an enormous amount about a vast and interesting subject. I feel that it behoves us all to do our bit to add to this knowlege, possibly by contributing to the information on the web. For instance, wouldn't it be good for Richard's photos and information to be added to Wikipedia, so that future SC players wouldn't be left staring at the present statement "There were over thirty W.33 variants, so only a few are listed below", just as I was at various breaks yesterday, until I came to the conclusion that despite the guidelines, the "challenge" as most of us perceived it, just wasn't there to be found. From Richard's response at post #15514, he obviously thinks that he wasnt really after the full ID. I know that I would not like to compose a challenge in another language, and maybe the intent was lost in translation, but as has been said before, it is all for a bit of fun, so Keep in touch spook, let's have more good challenges, including more from Richard (but make them clear mate and learn to control the old green light) and to quote skytrain, who I see has beaten my lumbering typing/thinking skills and posted a new Challenge. let's play
Having looked at the overnight comments I'll add my tuppence worth.
Not wishing to appear to sit on the fence, I do find myself in agreement with all of the sentiments expressed!
LM is justifiably aggrieved by the amount of time and effort put in by who knows how many interested viewers, who as we now know, stood no chance of succeeding in finding details of that particular aircraft and probably lost interest, due to the frustration and the resultant very slow pace of the thread, which certainly wasn't fun!
skytrain is happy with the challenge as it eventually panned out, and so am I, but with the following caveat:
Originally Posted by Bradenav
Here a very easy one for this afternoon :
I have been participating in this thread for just over a year now and have learnt an enormous amount about a vast and interesting subject. I feel that it behoves us all to do our bit to add to this knowlege, possibly by contributing to the information on the web. For instance, wouldn't it be good for Richard's photos and information to be added to Wikipedia, so that future SC players wouldn't be left staring at the present statement "There were over thirty W.33 variants, so only a few are listed below", just as I was at various breaks yesterday, until I came to the conclusion that despite the guidelines, the "challenge" as most of us perceived it, just wasn't there to be found. From Richard's response at post #15514, he obviously thinks that he wasnt really after the full ID. I know that I would not like to compose a challenge in another language, and maybe the intent was lost in translation, but as has been said before, it is all for a bit of fun, so Keep in touch spook, let's have more good challenges, including more from Richard (but make them clear mate and learn to control the old green light) and to quote skytrain, who I see has beaten my lumbering typing/thinking skills and posted a new Challenge. let's play