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Old 8th May 2007, 09:01
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Hmmm
Wiltshire would indicate Larkhill about then.
Aeronautical Syndicate. Quite a few versions
Could it be a Valkyrie?
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Old 8th May 2007, 09:18
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The Valkyrie it is, but would have accepted The "ASL Monoplane" as it was known at the time of this photo. (March 1910)

Caption from another reference on the RAF Museum Website....

"Horatio Barber makes the first cargo flight by Aeronautical Syndicate Ltd when he flies a box of Osram lamps for the General Electric Company from Shoreham to Hove in his Valkyrie monoplane. He is paid 100."

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Thank you. One is unprepared to be successful on one's first attempt in this forum!
By way of introduction - and lacking other material:
Me taking first close up look at a cockpit. Apologies if already done to death:
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De Havilland Hornet for starters perhaps?
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That didn't last long! Photo taken circa 1953, 45 Sqn, Tengah

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Thanks for that. Welcome to the forum. Not sure if this was taken at Tengah.

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Next Challenge

A nice easy one

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Another De Havilland?

It looks like a pic from the Vampire F1 pilots notes.
'Course I could be a total prat here
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You are certainly far from being a prat. It is a photograph of the Instrument Panel from the De Havilland Vampire F1 Pilot's Notes.
We have had the Vampire Trainer before but not the F1.
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Old 8th May 2007, 12:37
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OK, this shouldn't hang around too long either:

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windriver's challenge Post 1396

windriver at Post #1402 you state that the aircraft shown at Post#1396 was the Aeronautical Syndicate Ltd's 1910 Valkerie. I am a little confused as on the Early Bird's website the following photographs are published covering three versions of the ASL Valkerie, types A,B and C covering the years 1910-1913. Unless I am very mistaken the aircraft shown at Post #1396 seems not to represent either of the following aircraft types.
ASL Valkerie Type A

ASL Valkerie Type B

However it could possibly have been a later version of the Type C. Could you please give some further details regarding the photograph you published as the following photograph shows the aircraft to be a single seater?
ASL Valkerie Type C
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Had a feeling this might backfire... standby whilst I go back over my references and get my story straight...
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Please check your PMs.
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Mel, message received, but you need to clear your inbox
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Action taken accordingly
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Old 8th May 2007, 16:33
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RE The Valk(e)yrie

MReyn24050 ...
Unless I am very mistaken the aircraft shown at Post #1396 seems not to represent either of the following aircraft types.
You are quite correct. The subject photo appears to be a prototype of some sort - it is simply referred to as the "ASL Monoplane" which I suppose was the correct answer and not the Valkerie.

I have subseqently learned that the Aeronautical Syndicate were actually quite prolific (and apparently reasonably successful) with their 'Canard' types of similar design to this proptotype(?) of which the Valkeries appear to be derivatives.

Unlike the Valkeries my example seems to have a nosewheel on the tail....... too confusing .. "it's got wheels on the canard." rather than a full length skid.

However until I find out a bit more it's probably just as well to make the original article available for reference.

Article Here

(I'm probably not ready to solo on What Cockpit without a bit more dual...)
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As a point of total trivia , some might remember the six wonderful Inpact 1/48th scale kits of Edwardian Aircraft produced in the mid 1960's. ( Bleriot , Box Kite, Deperdussin, Antoinette and Avro Bi and Triplanes IIRC )
There were going to be three more -one of which was to have been the Valkyrie
I don't think it ever appeared.
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You wrote:- I'm probably not ready to solo on What Cockpit without a bit more dual...
Not at all your challenge was a great challenge and you were working to the information you had.
As you say the Aeronautical Syndicate were very prolific. If one studies your photograph with the one I posted of the Valkerie Type C there are many similarities in the structure especially of the inverted V struts from the lower structure to the structure under the pilots seat.Having done some research, which is half the fun of this thread, I was intrigued to know where your photograph originated. I understand that there is a replica of the Valkerie in the Florida Museum "Fantasy of Flight" it used to be in "The Cradle of Aviation Museum on Long Island".
On another website I found the following:- "Aeronautical Syndicate Ltd. Formed June 1909 by pioneer Horatio Barber (1875-1964). After building an unsuccessful tractor monoplane the Syndicate became identified with the Valkyrie series of canard (pusher) monoplanes. From Salisbury Plain, Wilts., moved its scene of operations, in September 1910, to Hendon Aerodrome, London, leasing three of the eight hangars belonging to the Bleriot Company. On July 4,1911 the Valkyrie B was used to transport the first air cargo in Britain (a box of Osram lamps). Several Valkyrie canard pushers built. Not easy to fly, but used successfully for training. Early in 1912 twin-propeller Viking biplane built."
So it looks as though the ASL Monoplane shown in your photograph was not a success and possibly it only achievement was the flight of several hundred yards quoted in the Flight article.

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Old 8th May 2007, 17:18
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The obvious choice for the subject cockpit is a B36. However I think that it may be older and will therefore opt for a Junkers JU390
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'Tis older even than the Ju 390, by about 8 years, first flight late 30's
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