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Old 7th May 2007, 12:19
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1) British
2) sailpane
3) water ballast
4) Slingsby
5) circa 1960?

Anything out of 5?
I'll give you one out of five, which is bound to set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Another clue FWIW, I took the photograph.
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Old 7th May 2007, 12:45
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Minimoa perhaps?


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Old 7th May 2007, 13:15
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Minimoa perhaps?


Sadly not:

The trail is really quite cold. I took the photograph yesterday specifically for this forum, and a rare old girl she is.
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Something like the Chilton Monoplane? That had a Carden Ford water cooled engine - well one of them did I think.
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Well, I was going to say Grunau Baby, but as you said it's a rare old bird, it can't be as more babys were built than any other glider type.

It's got british instruments - the Cosim vario is very British C1950's. It's probably a glider as it's wing down looking at the compass. It doesn't go faster than 130 kts and it has that water guage - which is calibrated in degrees centigrade! I guess the engine instrument we can't see on the left hand side of the panel would give it away.

I'll guess some sort of research aircraft developed from a German glider (the sloping instrument panel is very Grunau Baby), and if it was taken yesterday, close to your home base of Shawbury! I hope that will give the more informed some clues.
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Old 7th May 2007, 14:17
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May I refer the honorable gentlemen to post 1360, regarding location.
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It is older than the 50's

It is not a research aircraft, although it is unique nowadays. So unique that I am yet to find an image via google, and have subscribed to a modelling forum in the hope of having access to an image.

I hope Damien does not mind his Chilton image being posted. Wish he still contributed to these parts, for his photographs are always quality.

I can see why this was suggested, but sadly not the one.
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English Electric Wren ?
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Old 7th May 2007, 14:28
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Many similarities to the Wren, and probably just as rare. But I did not visit Shuttleworth yesterday.

A little research later. 3 Wrens were built and one survives. Many more of the subject aircraft were built, but I believe that it to is the sole survivor. The Wren is a little older than the subject.
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B.A.C Drone perhaps?
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Kronfield Monoplane
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Old 7th May 2007, 16:39
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Kronfield Monoplane.

Is not the Kronfield Monoplane and the B.A.C. Drone are the same bird?
As I understand it the British Aircraft Company. (B.A.C.) of Maidstone during the early 1930s built a series of gliders culminating in the B.A.C. VII tandem two-seater. In 1932 they fitted a 600 cc Douglas flat-twin motor cycle engine and an undercarriage to a B.A.C VII glider. I 1933 the designer was killed flying one of the development aircraft. The firm was then taken over by Robert Kronfield and an aircraft with a streamlined engine pylon and renamed the Drone was built and demonstrated. The company was renamed Kronfield Ltd in 1936.
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Is not the Kronfield Monoplane and the B.A.C. Drone are the same bird?
They could well be...

But that water temperature? gauge suggests a water cooled engine... and the 31 HP Carden Ford seems a likely candidate... in which case there appear to about 6 possible candidates.... make that 5 because this doesn`t look like a Flying Flea.
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Klemm L25?

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Old 7th May 2007, 17:26
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I took the precaution of photographing the following:

..and with that in mind, I reckon windriver gets it.

I was at Brooklands yesterday, and enjoyed the Concorde flight.
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I give way to windriver.

However, according A J Jackson's British Civil Aircraft Volume I the aircraft is listed as a B.A.C Drone. also a document published by the British Aviation Preservation Council entitled "Aero-Engine Exhibited & Stored in the UK and Ireland" Issue 1 dated 1st May 2003 listing the engine records the following details:- CARDEN FORD, Model C - 1934, 28hp, 1.2lt, 4L, w, 130lb, Unknown marks;Brooklands Museum: BAC Drone G-AEKV.

Great challenge Tiger_mate
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I give way to windriver.
.. Thanks, I tried the Brooklands Aviation Museum Website on my travels... and it wasn`t much use, but after going round the houses a few times I had a feeling this was the challenge aircraft.

Anyway here goes.. just happened to have this to hand. At the time this article was written this aircraft had just completed it's first flight.

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So many aircraft of that generation were experimental that this is going to be difficult. However I will put my head above the parapet and suggest:

i) European, probably French.

ii) Monoplane.

iii) circa 1910.

iv) Guestimate at this stage would be a Carid monoplane
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So many aircraft of that generation were experimental that this is going to be difficult...
Yes ... probably too obscure, so a few clues.

You're right it is 1910
It's English - Wiltshire to be more precise
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Shades of Wagner there.

I was looking at a similar picture only this week so I won't jump in with the answer.
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No , I wouldn't want to be @rse about face either.
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