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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 03:33
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Concorde at Manchester

Checking the taf for Manchester tomorrow, looks like a light easterly flow, does that mean that Concorde will be offered a tailwind landing on 24R like us subsonic mortals, or will they be given the option of landing on 06, if so what will be the most likely runway, left or right, anybody out there know what the plan is? What is the ETA, heard 1145L, is that about right?
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 04:19
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No, it is not. Apparently it is being packed up in Bristol/Filton right now for transport to Cranebank for use by the public, up and running 8 weeks or so...................!!
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Judging by the page style and domain registration, the proposal is from a company* with experience of the sale of simulator time to the public. If the price is the same as their other offerings then expect to be paying £249 for 20 minutes playtime and 40 minutes watching while 2 others play.

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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 04:34
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I heard the same time as well. Looking at traffic direction over my house, I would say 06R would be the one, based on the current weather.

Would be nice to get near the old bird, but Manchester being what they are, I am told that it will be parked on taxiway Bravo all day, so that us mere mortal apron employees cannot get near it.
Should give the anoraks, sorry, aviation enthusiasts, a good view from the viewing park though.
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 04:56
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Preferential Runway.
When the "Tailwind Component" on Runway 24R is 5kts or less then 24R is the "Preferred" Runway is 24R. If "More", then 06 will be in use.
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 06:19
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There was no BA1 yesterday (Monday) and therefore no BA2 today (Tuesday). Tonight's BA1 was the penultimate flight to JFK. There will again be no BA1 tomorrow (Wednesday) and no BA2 on Thursday. Thursday evening has the last BA1, which comes back as one of the blessed trio on Friday.
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 08:28
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Wish I would of knowed about cancelation of this morning's JFK outbound ahead of time. Then I wouldn't have gone down to Beach 67th Street in Far Rockaway, bay waterside amongst crabs and sea gulls, to watch anticipated departure from 22R.

No gotcha's expected tomorrow morning Oct-22 Wednesday, right? I know it's at JFK overnight because I and friend Craig saw it arriving this evening! But foxed us: we stationed amongst reeds directly under 22L where *all* other A/C were landing, then Concorde came in on 22R.

Thanks for heads-up that JFK arrival Oct-22 evening and departure Oct-23 morning are canceled.

Anyone heard the rumor about a Speedbird arrival inbound to JFK *Friday evening*?
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 08:38
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Is it not that Concorde uses 09L/27R all the time because it is longer than 09R/27L, and it needs as much tarmac as possible..(no flaps/slats). Forecast for next few days is for easterlies to continue, so my money is on 09L for departure/take- off.

Be warned, however, with those easterlies come cold winds, so if you plan to view this memorable event ' in the flesh', ensure it's covered up!
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 15:57
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Yesterday (Tuesday) evening, arrivals were on 27L and departures on 27R.

The Tour of Britain inbound from BFS failed to turn up at the scheduled time - 20 minutes after scheduled arrival time someone got a phone message saying that she had been delayed by about an hour and a half.

I hoofed it round to the visitor's centre (needed the brisk walk to warm up) and watched a spectacular night takeoff - my first and possibly last.

The grandstand that has been set up there is pitiful. It's only got about 6 or 7 rows of seats, and has been strategically placed directly in front of a row of trees which interferes with the view of the eastern end of 27R. For those who are lucky enough to get seats in it, I hope that Concorde will be still be at a sufficiently decent height (if landing on 27R) to be seen clearly. It looked pretty hopeless for watching the takeoff - I returned to the fence and sat on the ground.
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are you saying the seasts for the VIPs have been erected for a 27R landing ?
It his is right and they will have 1000 lucky VIPs sitting there, they will land Concorde on 27R what ever the weather, unless of course tail-winds prevent it... in which case they will all be bussed round rather quickly to 9L/9R

anyone remind me the tower frequency for arrivals?

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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 17:24
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in which case they will all be bussed round rather quickly to 9L/9R
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 17:38
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Dream come true

Just like to say, with 28 years flying under my belt from C152's to my current type - B777's that I was lucky enough to get tickets on G-BOAC LHR to JFK last month. It was without doubt the most memorable flight of my life. I can't imagine how disappointed the pax on the two recently cancelled BA1's must be feeling, to have missed out on travelling on Concorde, and experiencing a little bit of unique aviation history. Thank you BA and crew for giving me such a fabulous flying experience.
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 17:55
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with opinions from the british people running so high, why has the national flag carrier sent the majority of its planes to foreign parts...

London Heathrow was infamous with concorde, WHY has at least one been retained at the airport as a preserved museum piece, could have even been parked at BA HQ!

its so sad , perhaps BA shareholder should have been questioned on the final destination..

Had it been a Virgin Concorde being retired, I am sure Sir Richard would have gone out of his way to preserve it in the UK at LHR is possible and ensure all those who never got to climb aboard.. got the chance to!

see you all friday 27 R

AND another gripe, when other airport authorities go out of their way to make sure people get to see concorde, are BAA LHR putting up anti-viewing nets in various spots along the perimeter fence !!.. come on !!!!!! if David Beckham was flying in the world and his damn wife would be "invited" to the airport
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 18:12
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Heard a rumour on the crew bus recently about one going on the roof of Terminal 5. Nice idea, actually, hope it's not too late....
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 20:23
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T5 RUMOURS

The LHR T5 Concorde rumour has been around for a while.
It is questionable whether AA or AB will go there or if it will be the model currently at the CTA Tunnel. I had heard "a Concorde" would be placed inside the T5 building itself.

Reference to the placards and anti- spotting nets, they are doing their best to shift everyone off of BAA property and onto side roads & public roads. Its gonna be chaos on Friday.

Loads of Electronic LED & Dot Matrix signs all around LHR & surrounding motorways telling people to "expect LONG delays" and "stay away". Remember folks, Eastchurch Road closed Friday afternoon.

Currently on westerlies again today as "normal". Hard to determine if the winds swing onto easterly by Friday.
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 20:38
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Friday's wind direction

Westerly, swinging around to the North, if these are to be believed...

Friday 12:00(Z) wind forecast

Friday 18:00(Z) wind forecast

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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 20:43
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Concorde Disposals

As I understand it the 5 flyable a/c have been allocated. However according to today's Edinburh Evening News at http://www.edinburghnews.com/edinbur...?id=1166292003 the Museum of Flight at East Fortune nr Edinburgh is still waiting to hear if it is getting one and a BA spokesman is quoted as saying"We will be making an announcement on where the Concordes will be going in the next few days" .

Is the allocation of the 5 flyanble a/c definite as I cant find anything about it on the BA website. Alternatively are they taliking about the two non flyers or have they been allocated as well and somebody is getting their hopes up unnecessarily?


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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 21:13
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AA will go to T5 and AB will go to East Fortune (Or possibly possibly Brooklands). As such this is NOT very reliable, just the most reliable I have heard
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Old 22nd Oct 2003, 21:38
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Talking Concorde at MAN today

Just to prove that Ppruners get right to the thick of action, I was at MAN today when 'AG arrived for it's final passenger flight. When I say "there" I don't mean looking over the fence - no, I was hanging out of the "follow me" car (brand new Mitsubishi Shogun) weilding a video camera. If the footage can be downloaded I will try to post it here later.

It was an unbelievable sight being chased along the taxyway by Concorde and quite a privilege.........

PS Thanks to MAN airport for the kind invite.
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