Antarctic Austers
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Antarctic Austers
I'm going to Antarctica in January and I read an account from the eighties which said that there was 'a British Antarctic Survey aircraft from the fifties' sitting intact in a shed on Deception Island. I am guessing this is one of the ski-equipped Austers. Can anyone confirm this and is it still there? I'll try and take some pics if it is!
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QDM x 3 takes lots of AvGas and some of your Austering pals from Egesford and fly it back!!!
Ah well, you have to dream sometimes.....
Antartica is an interesting place to go for your hols.
I work with a chap who was on the Antartic Survey 40-odd years ago. He loved the remoteness (he's never been the same since, he was there for 2 YEARS) and also had a glacier named after him. Unfortunately his name is Scott so everybody thinks the glacier (or whatever it was) is named after the other, slightly more famous, Scott. 
Ah well, you have to dream sometimes.....
Antartica is an interesting place to go for your hols.
I work with a chap who was on the Antartic Survey 40-odd years ago. He loved the remoteness (he's never been the same since, he was there for 2 YEARS) and also had a glacier named after him. Unfortunately his name is Scott so everybody thinks the glacier (or whatever it was) is named after the other, slightly more famous, Scott.
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do you need someone to look after the Cub?
I'm going for three weeks as ship's doctor on a sort of adventure cruise for 45 passengers on a former Russian polar research vessel tot eh Falklands, South Georgia and Antarctica. It will be a good gig as long as a) I don't get seasick and b) I don't have to deal with a major medical emergency three days or more from the nearest air evacuation.
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In 1949-50 two RAF Auster 6s equipped with floats, skis and wheels took part in a Norwegian - UK - Swedish Antarctic Expedition, operating from Queen Maud Land.
One is now resident at the RAF Museum Cosford leading me to doubt if they left any behind.
Such nostalgia, I nearly stayed in the RAF after looking that one up, but on second thoughts: Not long to do
One is now resident at the RAF Museum Cosford leading me to doubt if they left any behind.
Such nostalgia, I nearly stayed in the RAF after looking that one up, but on second thoughts: Not long to do
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A quick Google search turned up numerous shots of the dilapidated, orange-painted fusalage of an Otter next to "an old Aircraft hangar" on Deception Island, with the remains of an RAF roundel visible - apparently an ex- British Antartic Survey aircraft. Wonder if this is the abandoned aircraft that was being referred to.
http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/south-shetland.html
http://geo.ya.com/travelimages/south-shetland.html
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Little chance of discovering a hitherto forgotten Auster down there, I fear, QDM. The two Austers (modified T.7s) that accompanied the 1955 British Commonwealth Trans-Antarctic Expedition led by Fuchs and Hilary are accounted for. WE600 is on display in the RAF Museum at Cosford. WE563, the reserve aircraft, remained ‘down south’, sold to the Royal New Zealand Air Force, and as NZ1707 returned to the Antarctic aboard HMNZS Endeavour in December 1956 and served there until 1960. After a rebuild following a crash in 1966 it is on display in the RNZAF Museum at Wigram in its Antarctic configuration. The Belgians operated a ski-equipped Auster AOP.6 in Antarctica, but I believe that is in the Brussels Museum. That photo of the RAF Otter fuselage raises more questions than it answers. All sources I’ve seen say that the only Otter ever operated by the RAF was XL710, bought new from DHC for that same expedition. It was handed over to the US Navy in 1958 and sold in 1960 to the RNZAF as a support aircraft for its Antarctic operations. It went back to Canada in 1963 and was operated as an amphibian by Georgian Bay Airways until written-off in a crash in 1976. The wreck was later rebuilt by Cox Aviation as its second DHC-3T Turbo Otter conversion. Which begs the question as to what this ‘RAF’ Otter in Antarctica actually is? The British Antarctic Survey operated three Otters, and one was withdrawn from use because of fatigue damage and dismantled, but they were Falklands Islands civil-registered.
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http://www.geocities.com/otter12thav...ergallery.html
More shots of the "Deceptioon Otter" here. No reg noted on the paintwork though.
Other clues:
It seems that the BAS Otters were red overall and did not display their Falklands registrations:
Decal option #5 is a DHC-3 Otter used by the British Antarctic Survey serial number 294 and operated in Antarctica between 1959 to 1964. This plane was allotted the registration VP-FAK but it was never applied. The colour scheme of this Otter is overall Bright Red.
(Webpage doesn't show the scheme but does show a decal sheet - includes RAF roundels - although they also include XL710 so not conclusive!
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...207/MD7207.htm
More shots of the "Deceptioon Otter" here. No reg noted on the paintwork though.
Other clues:
It seems that the BAS Otters were red overall and did not display their Falklands registrations:
Decal option #5 is a DHC-3 Otter used by the British Antarctic Survey serial number 294 and operated in Antarctica between 1959 to 1964. This plane was allotted the registration VP-FAK but it was never applied. The colour scheme of this Otter is overall Bright Red.
(Webpage doesn't show the scheme but does show a decal sheet - includes RAF roundels - although they also include XL710 so not conclusive!
http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.co...207/MD7207.htm
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Recommended pre-trip reading is :
"Wings Over Ice"
The Falkland Islands & Dependencies Aerial Survey Expedition. 1956-57 expedition.
by Peter Mott the Expedition leader
They were based on Deception Island and operated two Canso PBY machines to carry out the survey and an S51 then a Bell 47 helicopter, a very interesting read esp. if you intend visiting Deception Island. 14 hour sorties and constant weather worries. A bunch of tough cookies for sure.
My God father was John Saffery who was the chief pilot for Hunting Air Surveys at the time and deputy expedition leader (he commanded 541 Squadron PRU at Benson in 1944/5 and was a dab hand at taking aerial photos from Griffon Spitfires).
Have a good trip and please share your findings with us!
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Recommended pre-trip reading is :
"Wings Over Ice"
The Falkland Islands & Dependencies Aerial Survey Expedition. 1956-57 expedition.
by Peter Mott the Expedition leader
They were based on Deception Island and operated two Canso PBY machines to carry out the survey and an S51 then a Bell 47 helicopter, a very interesting read esp. if you intend visiting Deception Island. 14 hour sorties and constant weather worries. A bunch of tough cookies for sure.
My God father was John Saffery who was the chief pilot for Hunting Air Surveys at the time and deputy expedition leader (he commanded 541 Squadron PRU at Benson in 1944/5 and was a dab hand at taking aerial photos from Griffon Spitfires).
Have a good trip and please share your findings with us!
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Now that I've checked a bit further I'm fairly sure this must be the BAS's VP-FAL, which was withdrawn from use at Deception Island during the 1966-67 season. It seems that the first two BAS Otters, 'FAK and FAL, did not carry their civil registrations, but had RAF roundels and factory serial nos., while the last one, 'FAM was civilian-marked. 'FAK and 'FAM both crashed, so my money's on this being 'FAL. Mystery solved?
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Thanks everyone. You certainly know how to ruin a man's day. There I was, in my Antarctic Auster, in flight over the Drake Passage, refuelling the ferry tank from a jerry can....
Nice to have an answer anyway. Thanks a lot. If I can figure out how, and if I actually get thee, I'll post some pics.
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Nice to have an answer anyway. Thanks a lot. If I can figure out how, and if I actually get thee, I'll post some pics.
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The two PBY's on the 1956/57 survey were CF-IJJ and CF-IGJ, operated by Kenting Aviation. I had the good fortune to meet the Captain of IGJ, Bob Pettus, ten years later in 1966. At that time Bob was still flying the PBY, for Austin Airways, the same machine that is now ZK-PBY of the New Zealand PBY Historical Society. The other survey Captain was an Englishman named Gavin Robertson.
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Well, I can confirm it's an Otter, minus engine and anything else unscrewable. Otherwise in good nick. Flying any kind of single on the Antarctic peninsula takes a lot of courage: the water is very, very cold and the winds are vicious.
Hats off to them.
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Hats off to them.
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QDM- I would appreciate it if you could when you get out there
examine the logistics of moving it to the nearest loading area. This machine really belongs at the Dehavilland Heritage Museum as a tribute the the Dehavilland aircraft and indeed brave pilots who opened up Antartica.
examine the logistics of moving it to the nearest loading area. This machine really belongs at the Dehavilland Heritage Museum as a tribute the the Dehavilland aircraft and indeed brave pilots who opened up Antartica.
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I have just got back. There is no technical problem at all in transporting it, just cost and ownership. The only feasible way to transport it, I guess, would be to persuade the British Antarctic Survey, who I suppose are the owners, that it would be better off in a museum in the UK or wherever and get them to bring it back on one of their ships. Like I say, no technical problem that BAS couldn't easily solve.
I understand there is a proposal by an Aussie millionaire to create an aviation museum at Deception, but I don't know if it's just talk or will come to anything.
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I understand there is a proposal by an Aussie millionaire to create an aviation museum at Deception, but I don't know if it's just talk or will come to anything.
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RileyDove, if you're serious about recovering the relic, PM me - I have a contact in the BAS at Cambridge and may be able to get you an 'in' to the team and further info. But I will need some positive info from you before I start talking to BAS.