Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11390288)
Exactly, the SAME job for less pay is the issue mate…
QF flys PER-BME and the Capt gets $300K NA flys PER-BME and the Capt gets $170K Why not compare QF 737 to 787 on the MEL-PER sector as well then..? Comparing A320 to A320 would be technically correct yes, but that is not what you are inferring here. |
Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11390726)
And your point, when comparing B737 with F100 scales is what again..?
Why not compare QF 737 to 787 on the MEL-PER sector as well then..? Comparing A320 to A320 would be technically correct yes, but that is not what you are inferring here. |
Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11390738)
You’re aware they fly A320s to Broome…? I was comparing a 737 to a A320
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11390739)
You're aware that the figures you quoted are not A320 scales..?
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Originally Posted by aussieflyboy
(Post 11390745)
Very aware. Why don’t you give us the correct scales. My point will still be proven.
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11390739)
You're aware that the figures you quoted are not A320 scales..?
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Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11390726)
And your point, when comparing B737 with F100 scales is what again..?
Why not compare QF 737 to 787 on the MEL-PER sector as well then..? Comparing A320 to A320 would be technically correct yes, but that is not what you are inferring here. 737 Captain can make similar to a 787 captain be it working a lot harder for it. Here's a question for you, Satoshi. Let's ignore real figures. How much do you think an A320 FO and an A320 Captain should be making as a comparison to the average fulltime aussie wage? 1.2x? 1.5x? 2x? The average aussie wage. Think about all the hundreds of jobs out there. Most would be at home every night, less stress, less skill and training, and wouldn't have 180 people's lives in their hands multiple times per day dealing with schedules, fatigue, MELs, crosswind/TS/sheer/traffic in ctafs/visibility/etc Actually, let's make it more interesting. How much should those A320 FOs and Captains make compared to the average WA wage? 1.5x more? 2x more? 3x more? |
Originally Posted by soseg
(Post 11390955)
Here's a question for you, Satoshi. Let's ignore real figures. How much do you think an A320 FO and an A320 Captain should be making as a comparison to the average fulltime aussie wage?
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Originally Posted by soseg
(Post 11390955)
Actually, let's make it more interesting. How much should those A320 FOs and Captains make compared to the average WA wage? 1.5x more? 2x more? 3x more?
Surely these factors combined with the cost of pilot training would suggest an A320 FO be provided with a few more rods! |
Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11390980)
Comparing Pilot wages to the average Aussie wage is a Fools Game for many reasons - we all know it...
You're an apologist for Network's poor wages. Now it's time to defend them. How much more should an a320 pilot be making compared to the average aussie doing presumably the average job? Easy question to answer. |
Originally Posted by soseg
(Post 11391192)
Why is it a fool's game?
You're an apologist for Network's poor wages. Now it's time to defend them. How much more should an a320 pilot be making compared to the average aussie doing presumably the average job? Easy question to answer.
Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11338417)
Well, let's just start by saying that flying a Boeing 787 = "The Same Job" as flying a Boeing 787 et al.
There are low cost passengers and low cost services, but Boeing and/or Airbus never designed Low Cost Pilot versions of the same type... |
Originally Posted by RealSatoshi
(Post 11391224)
Mate, I think you are misreading the room on this one...I'll just put this here from another thread to quell your fears...
Coat, Hat, Door :zzz: |
Originally Posted by Jc31
(Post 11383800)
100% pass rate on internal upgrades on both fleets in the last 18 months. Not one failure
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Network A320 pilots should be at least aiming for parity with mainline 737 wages and conditions.
Network F100 pilots should be at least aiming for better than NJS 717 wages and conditions. Similar wages and conditions for similar jobs. There are ways of doing unofficial industrial action. Do the bare minimum as a starting point. |
Originally Posted by kellykelpie
(Post 11391346)
um - it takes around 20 years to get a 737 command in Qantas. Parity for someone who joined the Network recently is a bit rich isn’t it?
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I fail to see how an individual companies time to command has anything to do with deserving more pay. 🤦♂️
Originally Posted by kellykelpie
(Post 11391346)
um - it takes around 20 years to get a 737 command in Qantas. Parity for someone who joined the Network recently is a bit rich isn’t it?
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NAA - The bin chicken scabs of the airline world.
No wonder they get excited when it‘s announced there’s some 30 year old, clapped out A320s on the way. |
Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
(Post 11391641)
NAA - The bin chicken scabs of the airline world.
No wonder they get excited when it‘s announced there’s some 30 year old, clapped out A320s on the way. Keep you your jaded and toxic comments to yourself Pete, clearly you don’t understand what that word actually means. 🤦🏼♂️ |
Originally Posted by Slippery_Pete
(Post 11391641)
NAA - The bin chicken scabs of the airline world.
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Originally Posted by dusty99
(Post 11391359)
I fail to see how an individual companies time to command has anything to do with deserving more pay. 🤦♂️
20% churn rate per year. Broken system. Provide a viable career path for existing Mainline Crew. Requires a complete change in mindset. I’ll accept the current model if QF Management demonstrates savings achieved with low T & C’s Vs costs of training, admin etc etc. Till that cold day arrives in hell I expect QF Management to abide by their own promulgated “non negotiable business principles “ ie “recruiting the right people into the right jobs”. As a poster on Qrewroom highlights those same principles state:“Our future success is underpinned by our people being skilled, motivated and supported to do great things.” |
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