Network Vacancies
 

Can anyone spread some light on vacancies opening up at Network. Heard they need GM Training/ Checking, Fleet Manager F100.

FM F100 on seek (CAMO role) not Flt Ops

Got the inside scoop thanks. Senior Base F100 vacant which is the old FM Flt Ops role apparently. Safety and Training on the nose and might be some vacancies there shortly.

Also needed are pilots that can pass command upgrades.

There does seem to be a revolving door amongst the management..why so many changes.

Thats what I’ve heard. I’m interested in senior roles having done them for 15yrs but it appears the current setup is inexperienced, ego types looking for their parachute to QF management. Upgrade failure rates possibly due to under qualified training personnel.

Well if the QF management team had an ounce of common sense they would have offered the 20 odd NJS senior captains that were based in Perth (and have now departed the group) CMD positions at Network.

You don’t want much there do you buddy? Just want to get put straight to the top eh?

Under qualified training personnel? Ego types? Inexperienced? You’ve really done your research haven’t you? Come join us and save us from ourselves!

Most roles are filled internally FYI.

Maybe we’ve found the problem……

Perhaps that’s the problem my friend.

Hear hear Jack. Gold

100% pass rate on internal upgrades on both fleets in the last 18 months. Not one failure

That’s a red flag itself, especially when those have only 500hrs on A320

Selling 101
Squash everything and everyone to a pulp...then offer a better solution :}
You are aware though that they have ex widebody crew operating in all positions, including F100 First Officer - hardly inexperienced...I'd say.

Here's one:
Virgin Australia Group: Head of Flight Operations
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who has 500 hours on airbus? All the internal upgrades on the bus were senior fos.

Part of the issue these days is they pay their managers peanuts, and it's not just Network, which attracts the people you don't want in the position eg egomaniacs

How many hours on a 787 did the first QF 787 Captain have...asking for a friend :zzz:

Depends what you call senior. 2yrs on F100 then 500hrs on A320 doesn’t classify anyone as senior.

Rapid expansion, different cultures, constantly changing management, challenging environment, and fast commands all cry out “risk”.

Yeah, as far as I know that’s correct.

Calling bull**** on this thread.

Company requirements are high than that pal.

Exactly, and most have experience beyond Airbus. In fact many have thousands of hours on ‘narrow’ bodies (whatever that is) operating in the environment they will be commanding in.

Totally ignoring F100 time will not endear you to this pilot group. We are thoroughly sick of it.

oh dear, you poor misguided soul.

I suspect that johnny Cash is either a wind-up artist or does actually have senior role experience, yet is looking for work because…

WRT to pass rates: reasonable hiring, good mentoring and training should yield very few failures at command time. Except in the RAAF apparently, and at a related airline.

misguided? You want a job a network and insult everyone there? I feel like, sir, you are misguided.

You stated senior roles should be from internal applicants. You seem completely closed off to external talent joining “your” operation. That, my friend, is misguided. Perhaps the recent influx of experienced personnel, ex HKG, will open your mind to building a resilient, experienced culture at Network. The entire QF operation whether Mainline or regionals have limited reach and those operating in that environment only know what they know. There is a bigger stage in aviation and operational quality comes from embracing cultural mentorship not mentorship from those that have been isolated in a limited environment.

Management for sure. Possessed with the sole skill of writing so much yet saying so very little.

I’ve seen union reps swapping allegiances and becoming manager’s, I’ve also seen the ego types and the bloody good manager’s who are few and far between. An external perspective can be good but can also brings challenges , such as building respect and hopefully some loyalty from the troops.
The QF group will have a large talent pool to draw from but not necessarily the right person for every job - just look at all the recent job adverts for the A220 EIS.

Mate they’re flying buckets of **** from Perth to the bush and back, what could they possibly need all your “external experience” for? To teach them how to de-ice? How to taxi around Hong Kong?

Is Network the place to be?
 

1. Apparently they’re about to negotiate a new EBA with similar conditions to Jetstar’s new one.

2. Rapid expansion of A320 frames could mean new destinations.

3. Quick progression to captaincy?

I think we need go stop calling this place **** - they’re obviously moving in the right direction. Any VA pilot on the F100/320 would be stupid not to take the small sign on bonus for the prospect of a bright and stable future?

Happy to be proven wrong!

You may very well be correct in your assumptions, but with the acute shortage of experienced pilots the acid test will be the new EBA ratification.
I don’t see any VA Pilot jumping ship unless the carrot is a big one.

1. Jetstars conditions are not something to be striving for…

2. These are not new aircraft, they are nearly 20 years old.

3. No, seniority can also mean a very long time to captaincy as the boys all get upgraded.

A company will stop being called **** when it stops being ****. This particular companies work is over 60% contract flying. Not stable at all.

New Jetstar EBA is $232k Capt NB for 75hrs per month at 2023 rates. I believe NAA at their last 2018 rates and all added in plus a lower overtime threshold brings their pay into the low $200k’s. So a standard 3% pay rise from 2018 to 2023 rates would be very similar to JQ’s end total which really isn’t any significant win, especially considering the pay rates on offer rates some other airlines at the moment with DEC positions.

Probably just more Pilbara flying. Operational spares for aircraft that aren’t too reliable and mining companies that have contracts that require a minimum level of OTP otherwise penalties kick in. These aircraft are used for low density flying (a 1.5hr Pilbara run in the morning and arvo) specifically due to them being at the end of their service life.

Maybe, all regionals/subsidiaries have a quick progression to captaincy, well compared to mainline at least. But it’s probably not the long term captaincy that most pilots will strive for in their career. The fact all ex NAA pilots who went back to NAA from mainline on LWOP during Covid went straight back to mainline, even NAA Capt to mainline S/O in some cases, as soon as they could probably shows you where most see a better long term future.

”Bright and stable” 😂. If flying to and from the Pilbara for the rest of your career is a bright future…..

You’re right about the “small” sign on bonus. Pathetic in the long run, mainline pilots will get their yearly bonus for this year alone about 2-3x more than that.

For a VA pilot there’s no real benefit, VA looks to be heading toward more integration between VARA and mainline whereas in the QF group it’s all about separation. Who knows if NAA will stop expanding if/when the A220 arrives west one day? Then to move in the group requires a full resignation of job and rehiring at NJS. It’s almost like a full circle.

The only ones who I could be see attracted by the bonus are the handful of Skippers or Alliance F100 guys. But probably can be counted on less than one hand.

Network are the Qantas group basket case.

It’s a failed experiment to see how low you can take subsidiary pay and conditions.

But you’ve got to keep everyone there engaged by making them think they’re taking over the world, one clapped out ex Jetstar Airbus at a time.

Network have their place and that’s bunting bogans around the Pilbara.

hahahahaha! Wow. That is good, so RPT is stable then? Sorry but you’re wrong. The thing you don’t realise is how lucrative contract work is, it’s 100% profit mate! If you divert on a mining contract, guess what, they pay! Not so for RPT. One passenger on a flight? No worries, they pay 100%! It’s ridiculous.

I would agree if we experience a mining downturn but that’s not the case just now. And if that happens guess what? All you’re bogan RPT pax won’t have the cash to fly as they won’t have a job!

You best hope WA keeps flying whatever the subsidiary, cause if they stop we all start sweating. East or west coast. But mostly east ;)

Also agree, long term network isn’t the place to be. But if you want to feel important I guess it is.

Pay? Who? Management’s pockets. The pilots at network get nothing.

It was a significant pay increase. But even still, we're outta here.

If you wanna be in WA the rest of your life then go to QF. You're wasting your time at any subsidiary when mainline struggles to find people in your preferred base at the best of times, yet still pays the 73 FOs way way more money than Network peeps. You will have narrowbody FO and widebody FO positions before everybody else because they can't be ****** commuting from the east coast. DO IT!

Would it possibly having anything to do with EB. Not the best track record in Regional Aviation.

It's threads like these ones which define the Australian aviation industry. Toxic. Throwing hands over the internet at peers who do exactly the same job. Poor form. Get better.

Exactly, the SAME job for less pay is the issue mate…

QF flys PER-BME and the Capt gets $300K
NA flys PER-BME and the Capt gets $170K

No amount of salary is enough compensation for wearing a popeye the sailor uniform and that hat.