Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
(Post 11250799)
Anyone want to do the sums on a 2 year wage freeze, over the course of a 20-30 year career.
$5000…shove it |
Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
(Post 11250799)
Anyone want to do the sums on a 2 year wage freeze, over the course of a 20-30 year career.
$5000…shove it |
Is this online with the shares offering or additional?
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11250814)
Is this online with the shares offering or additional?
Not hard to figure out who is making the sacrifices & who is the big beneficiary. |
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Originally Posted by Blue Ruin
(Post 11250944)
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Originally Posted by Blue Ruin
(Post 11250944)
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Originally Posted by Fonz121
(Post 11250748)
A two year pay freeze at the next LH EBA is the hill I will die on while inflation is what it is. I don't care what they threaten.
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Originally Posted by regitaekilthgiwt
(Post 11251525)
Agree 1000%
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76
(Post 11250799)
Anyone want to do the sums on a 2 year wage freeze, over the course of a 20-30 year career.
$5000…shove it |
Originally Posted by thisishomebrand
(Post 11252861)
While I agree the 2 year pay freeze is ridiculous, the 2 year pay freeze is a relatively smaller loss over longer periods of time, i.e. 20-30 year career, than the lost income as a result of 2% annual increases (previously 3%). For individuals with a shorter timeframes however, the wage freeze will will be much more costly.
The ongoing two percent is just insulting salt in the wound, repeatedly, every year going forward. |
Originally Posted by thisishomebrand
(Post 11252861)
While I agree the 2 year pay freeze is ridiculous, the 2 year pay freeze is a relatively smaller loss over longer periods of time, i.e. 20-30 year career, than the lost income as a result of 2% annual increases (previously 3%). For individuals with a shorter timeframes however, the wage freeze will will be much more costly.
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Originally Posted by ExtraShot
(Post 11252901)
The two year pay freeze is actually a massive loss over a career. That’s over 6% for those two years based on previous increases, the forgone value of which is compounded every pay increase going forward, forever.
The ongoing two percent is just insulting salt in the wound, repeatedly, every year going forward. |
Originally Posted by thisishomebrand
(Post 11253223)
I was trying to say that while the freeze is costly, the cost of 1% lower salary increases dwarfs that two years of zero, particularly over the longer term.
I see what you’re saying, but don’t forget the two years of zero increase is there, baked in, forever. It’s compounded every year that you ‘might’ get a pay increase forever, increasing the amount you’re not getting anymore. Do the maths on that two year pay freeze compounded at the company’s desired 2% annually for a decade, or more! Eye watering. Then add the ongoing losses of the 1% annually that the company doesn’t think you’re worth. And don’t get me wrong, 2% is a joke as well. Especially at current rates of inflation. |
The inflation rate has only been above 3% 3 times in the last 20yrs.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d67f80969.jpeg https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...ation-rate-cpi |
Too late now.
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Originally Posted by noclue
(Post 11253304)
The inflation rate has only been above 3% 3 times in the last 20yrs.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d67f80969.jpeg https://www.macrotrends.net/countrie...ation-rate-cpi - which group of pilots in Australia has achieved that year on year? (And due to compounding factor, for every year it wasn’t achieved ie “group wage freezes” etc, the following year would have required a slightly higher wage rise to offset that loss) |
Why do we have to accept a 2 yr pay freeze! No other industry that I can find is imposing such draconian measures on their employees. 2% and 2yrs is just a number AJ thought of whilst sitting on the can one morning. There is still one group left to sign off, actually even to start negotiations.
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You don’t have to accept it. Fact is though most know that they will be taking it one way or another as Alan has played a blinder by splitting the workers up into so many competing entities that they can play off against each other.
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The inflation rate has only been above 3% 3 times in the last 20yrs |
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