I don't think Clive Palmer should get any tax payers money.
That is what he is trying for when he attempts to sue a government. The public purse is not a slush fund for Mr Palmer to dip into whenever he feels the need to refinance. |
Re - # 1051 - 'NO football for the whole state next year, not one game...' .
WA has a very nice new stadium, thankyou, full capacity around 60K bodies, or around 30K with 'virus separation'. Still MORE than any other avbl. (?) Put ALL teams into a 'bubble' in WA, and play ALL games over 'ere.....for the foreseeable future. A lot (most) of the players get paid VERY well, thankyou, so THAT should stop the whingers who want to stay 'home with mum'..... Wot's it to be luv? Me or the $'s..?? Standing by for answers to that......... CHEERRRSSS..... |
Originally Posted by currawong
(Post 10870707)
I don't think Clive Palmer should get any tax payers money. That is what he is trying for when he attempts to sue a government.
The public purse is not a slush fund for Mr Palmer to dip into whenever he feels the need to refinance. |
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 10870772)
Maybe not. But, when the WA Government rushed through that bill last week in an attempt to legislate their way out of mediation with Mineralogy my spidey senses started tingling. I'm tipping there's a better than even chance of him being awarded quite a few $$ and the WA Government knew that and tried to worm their way out of it. If they were so sure they were "right", why the legislation at all? Why the paranoia about getting it signed off before Clive could ratify his ruling in a Qld court....
Replace the figure of Clive Palmer with Glen Buckley's situation... it doesn't pass the pub test! |
Potential covid treatments are being patronisingly dismissed. Sutton and Andrews smirk their way when it comes to these questions
at the press conferences. These present drugs could save all age care deaths by a third. That is not just coming from Bolt but a lot of doctors out their. Wether you like him or don't check out his sky report last night, it's on the tube. What currawong said at post #1054 and I said at #776 is now being splurged on TV networks. I can even see a law suit coming on against the gov due to all these deaths. All started with hotel quarantine. Can be done. Erin Brockovich won. If it wasn't for the Victorian debacle domestic airline ops would be at 60/70/80% by now. The borders would be open (even the WA one) and no lockdowns anywhere except age care. |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10871446)
Potential covid treatments are being patronisingly dismissed. Sutton and Andrews smirk their way when it comes to these questions
at the press conferences. These present drugs could save all age care deaths by a third. That is not just coming from Bolt but a lot of doctors out their. Wether you like him or don't check out his sky report last night, it's on the tube. The Belgian Study he touts as an example of HCQ success had a non-HCQ group that was a median of 11 years older than the HCQ group, and had higher rates of co-morbidities like smoking and CVD. So not too earth shattering and not an unbiased study which is why the scientific community has not changed their opinion on HCQ. Ivermectin? No valuable clinical trials have been concluded so anyone touting it as a miracle cure at this point is time is selling unproven snake oil. Here's a Professor of Pharmacology (he may know what he's talking about) explaining some of the limitations of that particular treatment. I love how Bolt sneers down on the National COVID task force director's qualifications, "he's just an Associate Professor (and the Head of Clinical Research in the Department of Infectious Diseases at Monash University)" and chastises the Medical Chiefs for "overlooking the role of Zinc and Ivermectin" (the debunking link above was from a Clinical and Experimental Pharmacology Researcher and Head of Pharmacy at Uni of Sydney, I think he would know that Zinc exists, Andrew). |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10871446)
If it wasn't for the Victorian debacle domestic airline ops would be at 60/70/80% by now. The borders would be open (even the WA one) and no lockdowns
anywhere except age care. That issue alone will keep our borders closed for a while yet. |
https://www.magic.co.nz/home/news/20...who-speci.html
The WHO is now suggesting less restrictive lockdowns, that NZ should consider some sort of modified Swedish approach, and that countries have to come to terms with living with the virus. Seems odd given the purported success of lockdowns in China. Unless of course they were not so successful after all |
Originally Posted by slats11
(Post 10871472)
The WHO is now suggesting less restrictive lockdowns, that NZ should consider some sort of modified Swedish approach, and that countries have to come to terms with living with the virus.
Seems odd given the purported success of lockdowns in China. Unless of course they were not so successful after all Edit: China has disclosed occasional cases when detected, after restrictions were lifted. |
So in the last 4 posts we have a snake oil salesman, 17% think the pandemic is a myth, lets do a Sweden, beatings, lock ups and killings.
Put all these in a blender and we might get a new road to a pathway in Dan's speech in 2 weeks. |
It’s not a myth.
But elimination and simply wishing it away os not a valid strategy. No country has eliminated this. as we learn more, our strategy needs to evolve. With no good options, we are left with identifying the least bad. |
Is anyone able to share the science as to how parasite treatments potentially work as an anti-viral?
Not knocking anything, just having trouble understanding the concept as the target and mode of action are quite different. |
In addition to its anti malarial effects, HQ has anti-inflammatory effects (mainly through reduced cytokines production) and hence is used by rheumatologist as a 2nd line drug for a variety of conditioned.
It may also have some antiviral activity (cytokines again, but multiple additional postulated Mechanisms). These effects can be observed at high concentrations in lab tests, but it is not clear these mechanisms are significant at concentrations safely achieved in clinical use. Bleach and 70% alcohol also work in lab. https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/20...dj-2020-137785 However the current best evidence (Recovery trial) is that it’s not helpful for COVID. https://www.recoverytrial.net/ |
https://www.newcastleherald.com.au/s...train/?cs=6157
This is one reason why elimination is most likely not achievable. It is so subtle, and it’s peak infectivity is 1 day prior to symptoms appearing. Many people don’t get symptoms at all. How can you eliminate something you can’t detect? |
Originally Posted by slats11
(Post 10871507)
In addition to its anti malarial effects, HQ has anti-inflammatory effects (mainly through reduced cytokines production) and hence is used by rheumatologist as a 2nd line drug for a variety of conditioned.
It may also have some antiviral activity (cytokines again, but multiple additional postulated Mechanisms). These effects can be observed at high concentrations in lab tests, but it is not clear these mechanisms are significant at concentrations safely achieved in clinical use. Bleach and 70% alcohol also work in lab. https://pmj.bmj.com/content/early/20...dj-2020-137785 However the current best evidence (Recovery trial) is that it’s not helpful for COVID. https://www.recoverytrial.net/ |
Originally Posted by Turnleft080
(Post 10871446)
Potential covid treatments are being patronisingly dismissed. Sutton and Andrews smirk their way when it comes to these questions
at the press conferences. These present drugs could save all age care deaths by a third. That is not just coming from Bolt but a lot of doctors out their. Wether you like him or don't check out his sky report last night, it's on the tube. What currawong said at post #1054 and I said at #776 is now being splurged on TV networks. I can even see a law suit coming on against the gov due to all these deaths. All started with hotel quarantine. Can be done. Erin Brockovich won. If it wasn't for the Victorian debacle domestic airline ops would be at 60/70/80% by now. The borders would be open (even the WA one) and no lockdowns anywhere except age care. Im sure i saw scomo at the astrazeneca plant recently big noting himself,that was just before he came out & said the vaccine would be compulsory & then in the next breath reversed that decision. Of course the hotel quarantine is a stuff up as is the aged care but aged care is federally funded & should be controlled properly by them however they have seen fit to continue to underfund it & turn it into the circus it now is. Scomo apologised for it the other day but no action announced,he needs to fix it now rather than tell us they are looking into it. Maybe decent pay & proper training might be a start but that would go against his union bashing & casualisation of the workforce agenda,no wonder the big business leaders continually praise him. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 10872190)
Isnt covid treatment/vaccine a federal govt issue??
Im sure i saw scomo at the astrazeneca plant recently big noting himself,that was just before he came out & said the vaccine would be compulsory & then in the next breath reversed that decision. Of course the hotel quarantine is a stuff up as is the aged care but aged care is federally funded & should be controlled properly by them however they have seen fit to continue to underfund it & turn it into the circus it now is. Scomo apologised for it the other day but no action announced,he needs to fix it now rather than tell us they are looking into it. Maybe decent pay & proper training might be a start but that would go against his union bashing & casualisation of the workforce agenda,no wonder the big business leaders continually praise him. |
Originally Posted by blubak
(Post 10872190)
Isnt covid treatment/vaccine a federal govt issue??
Im sure i saw scomo at the astrazeneca plant recently big noting himself,that was just before he came out & said the vaccine would be compulsory & then in the next breath reversed that decision. |
Hopefully these idiotic premiers out their personal career aspirations aside for one minute and put the people/ country first! WA FIFO workers are being affected with ships pilots running short and Mcgowen demanding they live in WA so the resource set core could be short of workers if it keeps going and QLD denied a pregnant women entry for emergency surgery which resulted in one of the two twins dying as they had to fly to Sydney.
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Originally Posted by Ragnor
(Post 10872219)
Hopefully these idiotic premiers out their personal career aspirations aside for one minute and put the people/ country first! WA FIFO workers are being affected with ships pilots running short and Mcgowen demanding they live in WA so the resource set core could be short of workers if it keeps going and QLD denied a pregnant women entry for emergency surgery which resulted in one of the two twins dying as they had to fly to Sydney.
As for the FIFO's, I am one of them. I couldn't temporarily move to WA early in the piece due to kids specialists and the KRviatrix being a NSW Health manager, but we have now got the telecommuting and teleheath setups in place so we can move, but we are simply forbidden from entry to WA because we live in NSW. So are colleagues from Victoria. My employer is hurting badly as a result of interstate FIFO crew not being allowed back in to WA. The "temporary" move was supposed to be for 3 months. Then it was extended by 2 months. Now you are expected to be there indefinitely because no one knows when WA will reopen their borders - which as was found in the Palmer (No4) case above, will only happen when the "eastern states" have had no community transmission for 28 days. NSW's best 3 runs have been 22, 13 and 10 days. They've got no hope of 28 days! |
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