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Turnleft080 23rd Aug 2020 04:55

Vic has gone from state of emergency, then state of disaster, it's now starting to feel like a state of desperation.
It's half time in stage 4 and according to Sutton we will never ever see case numbers in their 300/400s again.
Big call brother. Final siren blows in 3 weeks I'm eager to know what the score will end up. I've listened to a lot of talk back on radio and the patience, frustration, is starting to run thin just like mine, just like yours.
We know the final siren will blow in 3 weeks, however will go to the tribunal either to extend Stage 4 or go to a lower number. Jacinta and Anastasia have now understood that elimination is impossible.
If QLD cases increase (In the words of a footy commentator ) the election is going to be a cracker.

Bend alot 23rd Aug 2020 05:45


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10867953)
Well it looks Mr Gunner struggling to hold onto a majority, his keep the border closed campaign slogan didn't have the effect he wanted should of been a slam dunk re election. Voters looking for certainty in time of crisis.

NT governments over the past years have only been surpassed in quality by the front page of the NT Times.

The CLP was voted out when MR Gunner took the helm, politics in the NT at that time put shame to the Rudd Gillard Rudd & Tony and Malcolm debacles combined.

Mr Gunner himself could easily challenge Trump for Tweet/comment of the day.

Well before Covid and including the CLP the economy has been declining, a walk down the mall is evident - not even the historic pub survived (this is Darwin do not forget).

Gunner getting re-elected is pretty amazing.

Bend alot 23rd Aug 2020 06:23

New York got hit hard and ended up in a 3 month lock down.

They came up with a re-open plan and reached the target June 7, the following day phase 1 of 4 was started.

Clearly they are still very nervous of this pandemic (after first hand experience) but they have a published plan based on a number of things some are cases per day and number of hospital & ICU beds available, all pretty sensible stuff.

https://gothamist.com/news/coronavir...demic-new-york

https://www.rochesterregional.org/ne...us-in-new-york

Interesting they have border restrictions via a formula also a less than 24 hour exclusion.

volare_737 23rd Aug 2020 07:41

A quick question for you guys in Oz. I am trying to get home to Perth but at the moment there are only flights to Sydney. Can one stay in transit in Sydney and then ones arrive in Perth quarantine for 14 days, or would I have to quarantine in Sydney for 14 days as well. I know its not about the subject of this thread but looks like some of the guys would know. Thanks

Chad Gates 23rd Aug 2020 07:44

No. You must quarantine in the city of entry.

Bend alot 23rd Aug 2020 08:12


Originally Posted by volare_737 (Post 10868145)
A quick question for you guys in Oz. I am trying to get home to Perth but at the moment there are only flights to Sydney. Can one stay in transit in Sydney and then ones arrive in Perth quarantine for 14 days, or would I have to quarantine in Sydney for 14 days as well. I know its not about the subject of this thread but looks like some of the guys would know. Thanks

Show less Travellers who have been in Victoria or New South Wales in the previous 14 days will not be allowed into WA, unless they fall into one of the following categories:
  • certain senior Government Officials
  • certain active military personnel
  • a member of the Commonwealth Parliament and any members of their staff travelling with them
  • a person carrying out functions under a law of the Commonwealth
  • the Premier of WA and any members of the Premier's staff
  • a person coming to WA at the request of the Chief Health Officer or the Director General of Health
  • any person (other than an airline or maritime crew member) responsible for transport or freight and logistics services into or out of WA
  • In addition, persons falling into the above categories are required to comply with certain hygiene requirements during the 14 days after the date they entered WA.
If you have been in Victoria or New South Wales in the previous 14 days and do not fall into the above categories, you will not be permitted to enter WA unless you have written approval from the State Emergency Coordinator (or a person authorised by the State Emergency Coordinator) and comply with any terms and conditions imposed on entry to WA. This may include quarantine requirements.

compressor stall 23rd Aug 2020 08:59


Originally Posted by volare_737 (Post 10868145)
A quick question for you guys in Oz. I am trying to get home to Perth but at the moment there are only flights to Sydney. Can one stay in transit in Sydney and then ones arrive in Perth quarantine for 14 days, or would I have to quarantine in Sydney for 14 days as well. I know its not about the subject of this thread but looks like some of the guys would know. Thanks

Currently with that plan you'd the 14 days federal quarantine in Sydney when you arrive. My reading of the state regs (with the caveat that I'm more familiar with the aircrew exemptions, rather than for Joe public) says that you'd then you need to go somewhere else than NSW/VIC to quarantine then apply for a G2G pass to enter WA. If you think of QLD as you will have to quarantine again in QLD as you have been in NSW as a hotspot.
Then when you get to WA you'd have to quarantine again.
Study very carefully the directions in https://www.wa.gov.au/government/doc...der-state-wide

Note that you will need to consider multiple documents there - the original directions, then 4 amendments. Print them out, get a highlighter put them in reverse date order and good luck!

You will be best served flying straight in to PER on EK or Qatar if you can wait. Even business class might be cheaper in the long run (not having to pay multiple quarantine and flights and hotels - there aren't flights every day to Perth these days).

And these regulations are dynamic. They can change at a day's notice and don't care that you have a ticket....

White Knight 23rd Aug 2020 09:41


Originally Posted by Bend Alot
Norway is cracking down heavily on travel to and from a host of European neighbors where Covid is making a startling comeback.

Mainly because of a massive increase of random testing throughout Europe. Here in Spain the average age of Covid positives is around 35 years old (compared to 60 plus back in April) and well over fifty percent of them are asymptomatic... Hospitalizations are happening but at a far lower rate! Hardly startling...




Bend alot 23rd Aug 2020 10:21


Originally Posted by White Knight (Post 10868223)
Mainly because of a massive increase of random testing throughout Europe. Here in Spain the average age of Covid positives is around 35 years old (compared to 60 plus back in April) and well over fifty percent of them are asymptomatic... Hospitalizations are happening but at a far lower rate! Hardly startling...

Got any links or stats on your claims?

What is the average Covid positive age of 35 relevant too?

Spain a comparable country? I find Spain and Italy more comparable.

volare_737 23rd Aug 2020 10:47

Thanks guys !! What is this world coming to ?????

compressor stall 23rd Aug 2020 11:06


Originally Posted by volare_737 (Post 10868281)
Thanks guys !! What is this world coming to ?????

The rest of the world seems to be getting on with it and generally accepting the lifestyle trade offs Not here. :(

Bend alot 23rd Aug 2020 11:38


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10868300)
The rest of the world seems to be getting on with it and generally accepting the lifestyle trade offs Not here. :(

Any examples?

Most of the World still seem cautious, very few "getting on with it" but your list will be interesting.

SOPS 23rd Aug 2020 11:54

Due to the Europeans need for a summer holiday every year ( and I worked in Europe for 17 years .. so I know how it works) .. it seems that outbreaks are being reported again. I dont understand why they cant all stay put at home for a year.

currawong 23rd Aug 2020 13:38


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10868300)
The rest of the world seems to be getting on with it and generally accepting the lifestyle trade offs Not here. :(

The rest of the world closed their schools. Many are yet to reopen.

Australia is one of about half a dozen that didn't, albeit a couple of weeks distance ed. for some, but open nonetheless.

Alongside Taiwan, Singapore and yes, Sweden.

Yes here.

Bend alot 23rd Aug 2020 21:36


Originally Posted by currawong (Post 10868391)
The rest of the world closed their schools. Many are yet to reopen.

Australia is one of about half a dozen that didn't, albeit a couple of weeks distance ed. for some, but open nonetheless.

Alongside Taiwan, Singapore and yes, Sweden.

Yes here.

Sweden closed (stopped education) for all students above 15 years old - all universities were closed.

Sweden will reopen universities and upper secondary schools from mid-June, Prime Minister Stefan Lfven told a press conference on Friday.

blubak 23rd Aug 2020 23:01


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10868193)
Currently with that plan you'd the 14 days federal quarantine in Sydney when you arrive. My reading of the state regs (with the caveat that I'm more familiar with the aircrew exemptions, rather than for Joe public) says that you'd then you need to go somewhere else than NSW/VIC to quarantine then apply for a G2G pass to enter WA. If you think of QLD as you will have to quarantine again in QLD as you have been in NSW as a hotspot.
Then when you get to WA you'd have to quarantine again.
Study very carefully the directions in https://www.wa.gov.au/government/doc...der-state-wide

Note that you will need to consider multiple documents there - the original directions, then 4 amendments. Print them out, get a highlighter put them in reverse date order and good luck!

You will be best served flying straight in to PER on EK or Qatar if you can wait. Even business class might be cheaper in the long run (not having to pay multiple quarantine and flights and hotels - there aren't flights every day to Perth these days).

And these regulations are dynamic. They can change at a day's notice and don't care that you have a ticket....

No problems with almost 30,000 at the footy yesterday though-no risk there🙄

Turnleft080 24th Aug 2020 06:27

Dan Andrews wants another 12 months of state of emergency till Sept 21. Power has now gone to his head.
This needs to be blocked and not passed by the house. If it is then borders closed till then. I thought Sept 20 was
driving me to the brink. He want's another 12 well if that happens I can sense a coup by the people.

Slezy9 24th Aug 2020 06:46


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10868883)
If it is then borders closed till then. I thought Sept 20 was
driving me to the brink. He want's another 12 well if that happens I can sense a coup by the people.

You do realise that Dan Andrews hasn't closed any borders??

Whos going to lead the coup? You with your garlic strung around your neck?

Turnleft080 24th Aug 2020 07:11


Originally Posted by Slezy9 (Post 10868894)
You do realise that Dan Andrews hasn't closed any borders??

Whos going to lead the coup? You with your garlic strung around your neck?

Well this has got me so furious, I have actually written to the Governor of Victoria, the Honourable Linda Dessau AC
to express my views and asking her to sack the government with immediate effect. If Kerr can do it you can do it.
Good idea garlic with kababs tonight.

currawong 24th Aug 2020 08:40


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10868902)
Well this has got me so furious, I have actually written to the Governor of Victoria, the Honourable Linda Dessau AC
to express my views and asking her to sack the government with immediate effect. If Kerr can do it you can do it.
Good idea garlic with kababs tonight.

Good that you had a word with the boss. Matter should be sorted in no time.

:D


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