Originally Posted by JJ 789
(Post 11022011)
There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic
Might be handy that you’re a pilot, because you know farking nothing about medicine. |
Originally Posted by dr dre
(Post 11022036)
1. You get vaccinated not so much to protect you, but to protect the vulnerable around you by having some level of pre-existing antibodies in your system. You don't contract the virus if exposed or if you do contract it the pre-existing antibodies ensure your illness is asymptomatic or very mild which therefore lessens the risk of spread to more vulnerable people, those who can't be vaccinated, those whom the vaccination didn't produce enough antibodies. It's actually imperative that younger people get vaccinated as they are more mobile and more likely to spread the virus.
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Exemption from the non mandatory vaccine?? Sounds legit
how much you pay for the “exemption”?? |
So a “pragmatic” doctor giving you an exemption for a non-mandatory vaccine which may endanger your aviation medical. Doesn’t sound like a very smart doctor to me.
OR You’re full of sh*t. I’m going with the latter. Reminds me when our airline made masks mandatory for staff (before it become mandatory for pax). There was an uproar from cabin crew and how they would be obtaining exemptions. It was pointed out from our medical officer that if you need an exemption then you’re not suitable for duties on an aircraft. That shut them up quick smart. Now it’s turned to vaccinations and as another poster has pointed out, they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP. |
Didn’t there used to be a “don’t feed the trolls” sticky on every PPRuNe forum? Something about sciolists IIRC.
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
(Post 11021969)
Again, look at the severity of polio vs COVID. ........
They are different diseases and hard to compare directly, but COVID would appear to be just as serious if not more so than polio. |
More serious than polio, really?
Paralysis is often permanent, although total or partial recovery can occur through compensation by muscles not affected. Weakness or paralysis present 12 months after onset, which occurs in two-thirds of patients with paralysis, is usually The case fatality ratio for paralytic polio is generally 2% to 5% among children and up to 15% to 30% among adolescents and adults. It increases to 25% to 75% with bulbar involvement. |
Careful cherry picking data....
From your source in context:Most people who get infected with poliovirus (about 72 out of 100) will not have any visible symptoms. About 1 out of 4 people with poliovirus infection will have flu-like symptoms that may include:
A smaller proportion of people with poliovirus infection will develop other, more serious symptoms that affect the brain and spinal cord:
--------------- Your sample set is not of the whole population - you have referred to 2-10% of those exhibiting one symptom of "smaller proportion" of 25%. Polio is also predominantly spread via the focal oral route. You can't usually get it just being in the same room as someone else. |
Originally Posted by turbantime
(Post 11022069)
...they’ll need it for international flights and I’d imagine my airline will remove these people from international duties and place them on LWOP. Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time. |
There's no condition preventing me holding a class 1 medical. As I said, they're a very "understanding" doctor and are pragmatic in their understanding of this pandemic Nope. They’ll be sacked. If having a vaccine is a requirement for entry into the UK, or USA, or Singapore, or anywhere an international pilot flies to, and a pilot refuses the vaccine, then they’re not able to fulfil the ‘inherent requirements’ of the job. Perhaps they’ll be able to get a transfer to Australian operations only (if applicable for the airline) where I suspect it won’t be mandatory to have a vaccine but that could still involve some restrictions on your movements when in slip port depending on the local health rules in play at the time. |
Originally Posted by 1A_Please
(Post 11022448)
AJ has already hinted he may look to a domestic ban on unvaccinated people once the rollout is complete at the end of 2021 so QF will be unlikely to be employing any unvaccinated staff in any customer-facing role.
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Given the border measures required of interstate travellers during flare-ups, would it be surprising if states like WA require a vaccination for all visitors? I would certainly expect something like that if there are more community transmission events.
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The question is whether they have the authority to do so. I’m not convinced they do.
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Originally Posted by JJ 789
(Post 11021969)
...as an individual in my mid 30's where this virus poses a very small risk, why should I be vaccinated?
Originally Posted by JJ 789
(Post 11021969)
However I've already been given an exemption by a very understanding doctor....
“To whom it may concern, this pilot is exempt from COVID vaccination but in all other respects is in excellent health. Sincerely, Dr Duck. |
Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.
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Originally Posted by patty50
(Post 11021944)
Let’s roll out this theory to all aspects of healthcare consumption. I’ll take my COVID liability if oldies and fatties take on age and fat related illness liability.
Originally Posted by KRviator
(Post 11021964)
So...Uhh, those 8,500 deaths and tens of thousands of instances of lung cancer caused by intentional and voluntary tobacco consumption should cough up (pardon the terrible pun), for their own treatment too?
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11022616)
Article in the Australian, following NZ PM announcement tomorrow could see a no quarantine travel bubble open as early as Friday.
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Given how good Australia and NZ are doing with the virus having almost eradicated it, which is what ppl want guess. If they fear for their safety now NZ may as well just close up and throw away the key, its time to get on with life.
My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal. |
Originally Posted by Chris2303
(Post 11022966)
Which is something, anecdotally anyway, that a large number of New Zealanders do not want, fearing for their own safety.
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Originally Posted by SHVC
(Post 11022979)
My concern is how are the arrivals/departures going to be managed? if we have one arrive from Auckland and there is also an ANA/Emirates or China flight arrival are they all let loose in the arrivals hall one flight let loose in the public others off to a hotel after all mingling in close proximity through the terminal.
So I reckon Australia will have this issue well under control. |
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