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SOPS 20th Apr 2021 03:27

https://www.news.com.au/national/bre...965054af642211

Who is going to blink first?

blind pew 20th Apr 2021 07:52

And still delaying quarantine
 
https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/sc...t-to-hong-kong

Australopithecus 20th Apr 2021 13:39


Originally Posted by Qwark (Post 11030922)
Lets hope the WHO win their “idealogical game”

Why? Do you want people to be able to travel here without proof of vaccination?

Qwark 21st Apr 2021 01:19


Originally Posted by Australopithecus (Post 11031205)
Why? Do you want people to be able to travel here without proof of vaccination?

Yes I do!! I want to travel to Australia as an Australian citizen who has the freedom to choose to receive a vaccination or not!!

1A_Please 21st Apr 2021 02:04


Originally Posted by Qwark (Post 11031537)
Yes I do!! I want to travel to Australia as an Australian citizen who has the freedom to choose to receive a vaccination or not!!

You're probably going to be disappointed. Proof of vaccination will be required for entry of non-citizens for most western countries. For citizens such as yourself, you will probably have to come home via the 14 day quarantine process. $3500 is an expensive cost to pushback on a vaccine but then again anti-vaxxers are not logical people anyway.

Fonz121 21st Apr 2021 02:51

I really wish they’d hurry up and announce some kind of vaccination carrot in this country. Start announcing some privileges for the vaccinated that will come in to effect once the vulnerable populous has been vaccinated. Home quarantine until a negative test received for example instead of hotel quarantine.

I realise a lot of people want to get vaccinated but can’t at the moment, but the over 50s showing hesitancy could use a bit of motivating.


Vag277 21st Apr 2021 03:37

Swift kick up the arse should motivate. Vaccination proof is not new. Maybe the kids don't know about small pox, cholera, typhoid, yellow fever vaccinations and the yellow vaccination card without which international travel could not happen.

jrfsp 21st Apr 2021 03:50

The problem is how to verify those certificates. As an example from the BBC "about 100 people are trying to enter England each day with a fake negative Covid certificate. Lucy Moreton, of the Immigration Services Union, which represents UK border and customs staff, told the All Party Parliamentary group on coronavirus that the documents are "very easy" to forge." Asked how many fakes could be slipping through the net, Ms Moreton said it is "inherently unknowable", adding that a lot of border and quarantine controls are based on "trust".

Also not all vaccines are created equal - just look at Chile. Which ones do we accept - which ones do we not?

ScepticalOptomist 21st Apr 2021 09:28


Originally Posted by jrfsp (Post 11031566)
Also not all vaccines are created equal - just look at Chile. Which ones do we accept - which ones do we not?

If WE are all vaccinated, I don’t think it matters.

Ladloy 21st Apr 2021 09:36

Victoria funding pfizer manufacturing in oz

halfmoon 21st Apr 2021 10:46

It still amazes me the number of people lining up to get a vaccine that is approved for emergency use only. No long term effects are known about any of these vaccines. Nobody cares. Just listen to the politicians dangling the travel carrot promising no quarantine to the next bubble....Singapore.. Japan....here we come.


ANstar 21st Apr 2021 10:56


Originally Posted by halfmoon (Post 11031724)
It still amazes me the number of people lining up to get a vaccine that is approved for emergency use only. No long term effects are known about any of these vaccines. Nobody cares. Just listen to the politicians dangling the travel carrot promising no quarantine to the next bubble....Singapore.. Japan....here we come.

The vaccines in use in this country are not emergency approved.

ScepticalOptomist 21st Apr 2021 11:12


Originally Posted by halfmoon (Post 11031724)
It still amazes me the number of people lining up to get a vaccine that is approved for emergency use only. No long term effects are known about any of these vaccines. Nobody cares. Just listen to the politicians dangling the travel carrot promising no quarantine to the next bubble....Singapore.. Japan....here we come.

The vaccines are fully approved.

ozbiggles 21st Apr 2021 11:58

Don’t use facts with anti vaxxers, you have better things to do with your life.

halfmoon 21st Apr 2021 17:00


Originally Posted by ScepticalOptomist (Post 11031739)
The vaccines are fully approved.

Yeah...but its the same vaccine used in other countries. No long term or even short term studies beyond 3 months. And you really believe it's gone through the full approval. Just saying people need to be aware there may be long-term health effects.
Im no anti-vaccer. I've had vaccines in the past that were actually tested and I'm confident in.

Climb150 21st Apr 2021 20:47


Originally Posted by halfmoon (Post 11031851)
Yeah...but its the same vaccine used in other countries. No long term or even short term studies beyond 3 months. And you really believe it's gone through the full approval. Just saying people need to be aware there may be long-term health effects.
Im no anti-vaccer. I've had vaccines in the past that were actually tested and I'm confident in.


Polio vaccine developed 1953, widespread use in 1955. So over 60 years ago 2 years was long enough to develop a vaccine. But now with all the new technology at hand 1 year isn't enough?



Bend alot 21st Apr 2021 20:53

Many governments have been openly skeptical about the Russian and Chinese COVID vaccines, so how does that play with a "Vax Passport" plan and the many nations using them? The testing data is kept secret.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...nes-/100026036

Climb150 21st Apr 2021 22:52


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 11031934)
Many governments have been openly skeptical about the Russian and Chinese COVID vaccines, so how does that play with a "Vax Passport" plan and the many nations using them? The testing data is kept secret.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-03-...nes-/100026036

Maybe you have to receive an approved vaccine to get one?

KRviator 22nd Apr 2021 01:52


Originally Posted by Climb150 (Post 11031932)
Polio vaccine developed 1953, widespread use in 1955. So over 60 years ago 2 years was long enough to develop a vaccine. But now with all the new technology at hand 1 year isn't enough?

To me, no it isn't.

The KRviatrix and I are both fully immunised so much as can be, as are the rugrats, however, we both have reservations about the speed with which these vaccines have been developed, "approved" and rolled out. They may ultimately be proven to be unfounded reservations, but to me, it seems like we are grasping at anything that will get us back to pre-covid times and to hell with the long-term risks. There was no suggestion of blood clots with the AZ vaccine until Norway & Denmark stopped administering it. What other hidden gems might appear down the track? I accept the risk of contracting Covid and manage that risk myself, rather than having it managed for me by companies & governments with a pecuniary interest in having me get the vaccination.

History is littered with examples of "It seemed like a good idea at the time!"

Tucknroll 22nd Apr 2021 01:56

You may have your conviction tested.

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/amp....21-p57l37.html



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