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ebt 5th Nov 2020 01:18


Originally Posted by dr dre (Post 10918960)
ExpressJet Shuts Down, Idling 3,000 Airline Workers
American Airlines begins furloughs for 19,000 workers
Airlines Near 50,000 Job Cuts as American, United Feel Squeeze
Miami Air ends operations after 29 years

And that's only for now, more expected next year because the dysfunctional US government can't provide assistance for the airline industry.

Letting the virus rip through the nation doesn't mean boom times for airlines. It's the opposite.

In comparison:
China Southern Turns Third Quarter Profit Amid Rebounding Market
How major South Korean airlines made profits during pandemic
Air New Zealand will operate 90 per cent of its pre-COVID-19 domestic schedule

Nations that took strict initial measures and dealt with the pandemic seriously are doing better and rebounding. It's obvious which path Australia should follow.

While I don't disagree with your conclusion, you fail to pick up that the key factor in all of this is government support. The USA's CARES Act provided a level of support for airlines provided they didn't furlough. That expired in October and so now the cash tap has been turned off, you'll see the US carriers now really start to pull things back where they can, while also grabbing the opportunity to make some cash where there is opportunity to do so. By comparison, China is subsidising their carriers to the hilt, Air NZ has been drawing on a government loan, and Korea has also helped to provide assistance to some carriers.

dr dre 5th Nov 2020 06:31


Originally Posted by ebt (Post 10918978)
While I don't disagree with your conclusion, you fail to pick up that the key factor in all of this is government support. The USA's CARES Act provided a level of support for airlines provided they didn't furlough. That expired in October and so now the cash tap has been turned off, you'll see the US carriers now really start to pull things back where they can, while also grabbing the opportunity to make some cash where there is opportunity to do so. By comparison, China is subsidising their carriers to the hilt, Air NZ has been drawing on a government loan, and Korea has also helped to provide assistance to some carriers.

Government support is essential for the airline sector to survive whilst pandemic control measures are in place and then regrow once the control measures have been lifted. I wish our federal governmetn was doing far more for our aviation sector.

But the main part of my argument was to debunk the notion that if we just dropped all controls and essentially turn a blind eye to the virus then everything would get back to normal. As the US has shown this is not the case.

Turnleft080 5th Nov 2020 09:41

NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has hit out at her Queensland counterpart for "rubbing in" the Maroons' State of Origin win via text message instead of taking the state border issue seriously.
Ms Berejiklian said on Sunday night she sent a text to Annastacia Palaszczuk to congratulate her on her re-election as Queensland Premier and reiterate her desire to speak about the border closure to Sydney.
But she said she received no reply until last night when Ms Palaszczuk bragged about Queensland defeating NSW in the Origin I match.
"She replied 'Queenslander, great game' or something to that effect," Ms Berejiklian said today.
"She didn't mention borders or thanks for the congratulations.
"I didn't know whether to be shocked or bemused frankly."

What Gladys is saying the woman up north needs some psychological help.



blubak 5th Nov 2020 19:08


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10919173)
NSW Premier Gladys Berejiklian has hit out at her Queensland counterpart for "rubbing in" the Maroons' State of Origin win via text message instead of taking the state border issue seriously.
Ms Berejiklian said on Sunday night she sent a text to Annastacia Palaszczuk to congratulate her on her re-election as Queensland Premier and reiterate her desire to speak about the border closure to Sydney.
But she said she received no reply until last night when Ms Palaszczuk bragged about Queensland defeating NSW in the Origin I match.
"She replied 'Queenslander, great game' or something to that effect," Ms Berejiklian said today.
"She didn't mention borders or thanks for the congratulations.
"I didn't know whether to be shocked or bemused frankly."

What Gladys is saying the woman up north needs some psychological help.

Says it all about where her priorities lie,here she goes again with her childish mind games.
Didnt see her respond to not being allowed into the theme park last week,maybe they should have let her in & locked her up in fantasy land,obviously thats where she lives most of the time.
Again i say theres no doubt the victorian govt has a lot to answer for with the hotel quarantine f up but at least now there seems to be a genuine process in opening up again whereas with queen p every day brings nothing except excuses with no relevance to any facts.

rattman 6th Nov 2020 03:08


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10919173)

What Gladys is saying the woman up north needs some psychological help.

Maybe gladys should harden the **** up and start looking at her own corruption and that of her party

Turnleft080 14th Nov 2020 01:27

Victoria has now scored 15 ducks in a row. 15000-20000 tests a day. Still not good enough for the Queen of QLD or the King of WA.
Just following the science. Got to protect our cane toads from getting covid.



getaway 14th Nov 2020 01:39


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10926056)
Victoria has now scored 15 ducks in a row. 15000-20000 tests a day. Still not good enough for the Queen of QLD or the King of WA.
Just following the science. Got to protect our cane toads from getting covid.

but dodgy anna chukka is allowing up to 100% crowd numbers at Suncorp on Wed night at leagie game. There could be up to 52,500 at game with absolutely no social distancing whatsoever.

Word is, they got greedy with ticket prices (just like with wallabies last Sat-dumped good seats for $49 at last minute) & now dumping seats to try & fill the place + public servants are being given free tickets. Just lucky they got a pay rise so they can buy rum & cokes for $12 a can.

Chronic Snoozer 14th Nov 2020 01:48


Originally Posted by Turnleft080 (Post 10926056)
Victoria has now scored 15 ducks in a row. 15000-20000 tests a day. Still not good enough for the Queen of QLD or the King of WA.
Just following the science. Got to protect our cane toads from getting covid.

I think WA have always said 28 days of no community transmission to allow free travel between states.

Ragnor 14th Nov 2020 03:47

Who cares about WA and QLD, they have not proven themself of being capable of handling this pandemic be best if borders did remain shut I don’t want dirty QLD ppl in my state low testing rates for all we know it’s tuning rampart through QLD they’re also incapable of managing this virus. VIC is the same at least DA had been willing to learn NSW playbook and by all accounts could be very well under control down there.

jrfsp 14th Nov 2020 04:58

NZ has just recorded a case in a person arriving from NSW....

So im sure there is still virus circulating in your precious NSW!

DirectAnywhere 14th Nov 2020 05:50

A person who arrived on 1 Nov....

Ragnor 14th Nov 2020 06:05

My point is NSW can deal with it and handle it. Other states can’t

Ladloy 14th Nov 2020 06:19


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10926112)
My point is NSW can deal with it and handle it. Other states canít

Doesn't sound like it

Bend alot 14th Nov 2020 09:55


Originally Posted by Ragnor (Post 10926085)
Who cares about WA and QLD,

Obviously from your vast amounts of posts YOU do.

I was happy to wait for the WA border to open, just hope the TOOLS stay out.

benttrees 14th Nov 2020 10:09

That’s hilarious..... there’s already PLENTY of tools here in W.A !!!!!

KRviator 14th Nov 2020 10:17


Originally Posted by Ladloy (Post 10926113)
Doesn't sound like it

Guess that's why Queensland has never carried their weight in International Arrivals, instead leaving the bulk of their citizens to enter via NSW, and why other states continue to lock out people from NSW, notwithstanding they have demonstrated, time and time again, they can get on top of any outbreaks while keeping their economy going. You're more than welcome to pull the DOTRS international arrival data and compare it yourself, Ladboy, and what it'll show, is those states that have locked out Victorians - and NSWelshmen in particular - are at the same time relying on NSW to act as the major point of entry to Australia for their states' citizens, and carry the lions share of the load.

Queensland - and WA to an even greater extent - are scared shyteless about having an outbreak because their systems have never been tested.

IT's all well and good for Mark McGoose to crow "We've gone 7 months without COVID in our WA community", but what he fails to mention, is that if it gets into the community, they've got zero evidence they can handle the outbreak. Gladys, for all her faults, has demonstrated the exact opposite, several times over and kept her states' economy going. That's something no other Premier can lay claim to.

601 14th Nov 2020 11:52


they've got zero evidence they can handle the outbreak
We did have a outbreak from 3 females who went to Melbourne on a "shopping expedition" and party hosting and lied on their border declaration claiming to have only been in Sydney.
Charged over falsifying Queensland coronavirus border declaration passes

Ragnor 14th Nov 2020 19:07

That was not handled well at all by Queen P. She failed miserably.

compressor stall 14th Nov 2020 21:19

Anyone got any ideas why the latest Auckland outbreak which has been shown to have originated from Defence Force personnel at a quarantine facility has made such little news in Australia?

Green.Dot 14th Nov 2020 21:31


Originally Posted by compressor stall (Post 10926668)
Anyone got any ideas why the latest Auckland outbreak which has been shown to have originated from Defence Force personnel at a quarantine facility has made such little news in Australia?

Probably the same reason Dan and his team kept the Hotel Quarantine/BLM outbreak under wraps for a couple weeks, blaming workplace lunch rooms and rogue citizens as the cause. They hoped the outbreak would be contained before the truth would be uncovered.

Deception however seems to make the average Victorian more hungry to vote for him though.
:ugh:


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